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7th (Cyclist) Bn Welsh Regt
Grateful for any assistance on this one please.
I am trying to establish when the photo was taken as I was under the impression that blackened cap badges and black buttons were worn and yet, clearly, brass cap badges and buttons are the order of the day. In addition one OR is also wearing Welsh dragon collar dogs. My feeling is that this would have been around 1908 but most grateful for any help with this. Peter4447 |
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Peter,
Is this the PC that was on eBay listing it as 7th Battn because that's what is written on the bass drum? Regards, Kevin |
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Hi Kevin
It is indeed. On the actual photo the Bass drum and the brass instruments appear to be in 'as new' condition as, indeed, are the uniforms. The Bass Drum scroll reads: 7th Cyclists Battalion The WelCh Regiment. On the epaulette of the Drum Major can clearly be seen the 'T 7 Welsh' badge. The chap wearing the collar badges appears to be the Bandmaster. Perhaps, however, from your question all is not what it seems! Kind regards Peter Last edited by peter4447; 04-11-10 at 12:22 PM. |
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So does anyone have a picture of the 7th Bn in black insignia?
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I don't have one Alan but I was browsing the Great War Forum recently and there is a PC on there of some NCO's of the 1/7th (Cyclist) Bn Welsh Regt (again the epaulette badge is very clear) wearing blackened Welsh cap badges and black bugle horn buttons.
Peter Last edited by peter4447; 03-11-10 at 08:21 PM. |
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Yes, I have a couple and so do a few friends of mine in our local Military History club.
The Drum Major has odd collars for this unit, I'll look into it over the weekend. |
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Peter,
Found what I was looking for. The Bandmaster is wearing collars that were worn by the 2nd Glamorgan Rifle Volunteer Corps. In 1908 when the Volunteers were converted to the TF the 2nd Glams (3rd VB Welsh by then) were lost as a unit but in part they transfered to a new TF Battn. The 7th Cyclists. According to Churchill they only changed to the rifles dark green tunic and blackened badges in 1912. So there we have it, in all probability he's a an ex 2nd Glam man photographed before 1912. Cofion gorau, Kevin Last edited by 41st; 11-11-10 at 09:54 AM. |
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Absolutely brilliant Kevin - It really dates the picture perfectly and I am very grateful to you indeed.
Diolch yn fawr Peter |
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Still odd that they were wearing black badges in WW1 but not earlier. I would have expected it to be the other way around!
Alan |
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On the same subject, I bought this card recently on a well known auction site as "Private 7th? Welsh Regiment Cyclist Battalion", the buttons are of the black bugle type but the cap badge appears a bit shiney to be blackened, so my questions are please, is this a Private of the 7th Cylist Bn and what date would you estmate it to be. Thanks, Rob.
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Keith,
They certainly aren't wearing the standard pre 1908 pattern 1st, 2nd or 3rd VB cap badge, but I don't believe these were worn on service dress. I wouldn't expect them to either as it was not just a transfer of the V.B to the 7th Welsh, but the formation of a new unit. My earlier post was incorrect when I referred to the old 3rd VB being transferred to the 7th (sorry for that) they were in fact transferred to the new 5th TF Battn. The new 7th TF Battn was in fact made up of from a nucleus of the cyclist sections of the old three Glamorgan VBs of the Regiment. Hence our man wearing the 3rd VB collars. Rob, He is highly likely to be 7th. The uniform boys should be able to confirm that he appears to be wearing a 1907 pattern jacket. I've seen plenty of photos of this battalion with black buttons and what appears to be the standard bi-metal cap badge, but he could be anywhere between 1908 and the end of the war. |
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Regards Peter |
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The bandsmen are also wearing the belt with snake buckle from the 1914 Leather Equipment issued specifically to the Service battalions raised by Kitchener's clarion call "Your Country Needs You" so this dates the photo to 1915-16 I would suggest.
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