Puggaree vs pagri

[Quicksilver]

Terry, I am not an expert on Indian Army headdress or Anglo-Indian words, but what I do know is that Pagri is one of several words used for what Europeans call a turban. Turban I think comes from the Turkish language but pagri is Indian. Puggaree or pugri may be a an alternative spelling, but in New Zealand the word puggaree means the cloth band that encompasses the lemon squeezer hat. It is in the Regimental Colours or Corps Colours. No doubt this stems from a military Pagri from the old Indian Army days of the 19th Century. I am sure there must be some Indian Army buffs out there that have all the gen on this.
Rgds
Quicksilver

Originally Posted by Terry Rayner

Ok all you wordsmiths out there is it Pagri or Pugaree?
Regards Terry

[Terry Rayner]

Thanks to all the members who took time to answer my question.

[revdougal]

In "Hobson-Jobson" (that wonderful glossary of Anglo-Indian words and phrases), published in 1886, under "Puggry" and "Puggerie" the first word given is "Pagri", from the Hindustani, a turban. There are also a few more spellings given: viz Pagari, Puggaree, Puckery.

[Cardiffbloke]

I used to use the term Puggaree but changed it to Pagri because i didn't have to type so many letters.

[revdougal]

Dress Regs India 1913, para 29 states that a white pagri to be worn on the (Wolseley) Helmet, although "Regimental pattern pagris may be worn when authorised". "The Badge is worn in the centre of the pagri or on the front of the Helmet, when it is of a size which cannot be conveniently attached to the pagri".
In1926 the Gunners regularised their "pagri badges", calling them "Helmet patches". In British RA Units all ranks wore the badge upon a Red/Blue diamond on the LHS of the Helmet. In the Indian Mountain Arty the attached British officers did likewise, but the soldiers wore the same patch on the upper left arm, since they wore a "turban" without any badge. It now seems that these patches always go under the generic term of "pagri badges".
Indian soldiers of other regiments at this time were distinguished usually by their shoulder titles, as well as by the colour/shape of their turbans.

[Peter Brydon]

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[signalman]

Good question, good debate,i learnt a lot,what i also have learnt is that the viletones are a canadian punk band,who's lead singer is called nazi dog,so im afraid forum tone well lowered.[only my opinion of course]

[Peter Brydon]

Great that we dont take the whole thing too seriously all the time.

P.B.