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25-01-10, 02:55 PM
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Unknown Lt General 1914-18
Not a photograph i know but he is in uniform with badge's.I wonder if any members can give a positive ID to this Lieutenant General.I am having trouble pinning him down,the print which seems to be signed by the artist (Stanly.....?) looks like a copy from an oil.All i have to go on is the armorial devise top left which i believe to be Welsh, there is a motto but it is very hard to read and is also written in the Welsh language (it starts 'y doring gogh.IMO) The only other information is an inscription on the back which reads 'Middle East 1914-18'.All thoughts most welcome.Phil.
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25-01-10, 05:42 PM
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What is that badge on the wall? Is it the Buff's? Can't make it out too well.
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25-01-10, 10:13 PM
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My eyes aren't what they were but does it say "Y' Ddraig Goch" which means The Red Dragon?I believe several Welsh Yeomanry regiments were in the Middle East during WW1 , I know the Denbighshire Yeomanry were as my great uncle was in them.
Cymru am Byth
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25-01-10, 10:27 PM
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Unknown Lt gen
http://www.firstworldwar.bham.ac.uk/donkey/index.htm
The University of Birmingham (led by John Bourne) has compiled a list of Gt War Generals. It can be found at the above address. Regards, Stephen.
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#6
26-01-10, 08:05 AM
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He doesn't appear to be in John Bourne's list but I can tell you that it is Major General S F Mott, who was CO of the 53rd (Welsh) Division from April 1917. The 'device' is that of the division. The portrait forms the frontispiece of the divisional history by CH Ward published in 1927.
Last edited by KLR; 26-01-10 at 11:44 AM.
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26-01-10, 09:57 AM
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Gentlemen this is why i love this forum we can all help and be helped, and learn in the process.Thank you N Staff, Stephen and KLR.I now only have to find the artist,KLR is the frontispiece in black and white?.Best regards.Phil.
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#8
26-01-10, 11:43 AM
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I tried Googling Mott to see if I could get his full details but to no avail. The reproduction in the book is b&w, the caption reads
'Major General S F Mott, C.B. From a portrait presented by the 53rd (Welsh) Division (T.F.)' which implies to me that the Div commissioned the portrait and presented it to Mott - maybe the family still has it !? Silly me; your reproduction is signed 'Stanley F Mott' ! so there will be a better chance of googling him now ! OK a bit more. He was the Hon Stanley Fielder Mott, born 1873 and died 1959. That should get you going. Someone with access to the Times Digital Archive should find an obituary which will give more. Last edited by KLR; 26-01-10 at 12:15 PM. Reason: OK, a bit more
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26-01-10, 12:17 PM
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Blimey KLR! you're on the case today,that is it mystery solved,the artist is not the artist but signed by the sitter ( that's not easy to say) so it looks like i have a print of the original with Major General Mott's autograph,which is as far as i'm concerned a result.Regards and thank's again.Phil.
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28-01-10, 09:20 AM
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Stephen, JB's listing is just of Western Front generals. He's now retired from B'ham Univ though I don't doubt he's still busy on something or other !
(PS I happen to have the book - as a family member was with 53rd Div - and immediately recognised the image)
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28-01-10, 10:14 AM
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Unknown Lt General
Julian,
I hadn't realised he had retired. I remembered hearing his talk on the 'Donkeys'. He was very supportive of the quality of Generals, recording how many actually died in the trenches with their troops and not of some bucolic illness in a chateau behind the lines. Regards, Stephen.
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