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Old 10-09-09, 09:55 PM
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Default Anodised Aluminium Cap Badges By Turner & Simpson Ltd

Hi Guys,

Obscure company this weekend with little known about them.

Two marks are known both T&S with one as a stamp by itself and the other on three concatenated circles.

Entries so far:


304 Field Regt, RA (Essex Yeo) (St. Edwards Crown)
Northamptonshire Regiment
Royal Artillery (35mm)
Royal Army Ordnance Corps
Royal Engineers



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Chris

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Old 10-09-09, 11:21 PM
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Hi Chris,
Just two more ,they are -
R.A.O.C
Royal Artillery (35mm)

Both badges with the conjoined circles stamp, often seen on hallmarked silverware they produced.
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Old 11-09-09, 05:56 AM
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Hi Chris,
Just two more ,they are -
R.A.O.C
Royal Artillery (35mm)

Both badges with the conjoined circles stamp, often seen on hallmarked silverware they produced.
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UKbrits
Thanks UKBrits,

This is what I've come up with so far:

Little is known of this company except what can be gleamed from Birmingham Assay Office silver makers marks and from actual shop floor workers of Toye, Kenning & Spencer Limited who believe that this maker was active in the Birmingham Jewellery Quarter manufacturing similar products to Toye, Kenning & Spencer Limited until either the 1970’s or the 1980’s. (1)

The silver mark used by Turner & Simpson is very similar to the badge maker marks and as such, gives credence to the claim above. Dates of recorded silver maker’s marks for this company range from 1913 to 1979. (2)

The pattern card of the 304 Fd. Regt., R.A. (Essex Yeo) (Small) held by the Imperial War Museum in London has the associated badge marked as ‘T&S’ (as a stamping) with the pattern card sealing date of 30th May 1957.


I've not put the foot notes in - ya will all have to wait untill the book is printed to see all the proof...

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Chris
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Old 11-09-09, 10:21 AM
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Hi Chris,
Just two more ,they are -
R.A.O.C
Royal Artillery (35mm)

Both badges with the conjoined circles stamp, often seen on hallmarked silverware they produced.
Regards
UKbrits
Hi UKBrits,

Can you post an obverse photo of the 35mm high RA badge.

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Default R.Sigs T&S A/A CAP BADGE

Hi Chris,
Here is the obverse pic of the 35mm Royal Artillery cap badge made by T&S

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Here is the obverse pic of the 35mm Royal Artillery cap badge made by T&S

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Er, mate that is the reverse.

Can you turn 'im over and try again. Me and 54Bty want to check if it's a Type 1 or 2. Any seeding to scrolls?

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Er, mate that is the reverse.

Can you turn 'im over and try again. Me and 54Bty want to check if it's a Type 1 or 2. Any seeding to scrolls?

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Stop be technical and say (write) front.
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Stop be technical and say (write) front.
Yeah, UKBrits - show us the shiny side with the pretty detail mate...
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Hi Chris & 54 Bty,
Whoops, so used to taking pics of the backs of badges forgot to do the front.! Anyway, it has a seeded scroll which I guess makes it a type1 then?
Shiny side to follow tomorrow for reference.
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Hi Guys,
Here's the front of the badge as requested.
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Here's the front of the badge as requested.
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Thanks Mate,

That's what we were expecting.

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As far as i know,i have absolutely nothing made by this company.
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As stated in the TKS thread I have a spare T&S (plain stamped) RAOC example to trade but only looking for RAOC examples such as all silver anodised or Kings crown example.
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As stated in the TKS thread I have a spare T&S (plain stamped) RAOC example to trade but only looking for RAOC examples such as all silver anodised or Kings crown example.
Hi Mike,

The silver anodised will be a manufacturers error and I have yet to see any official evidence of a KC RAOC badge. I have the Army file to read again but I think the first A/A badge was in the mid 1960's. The RAOC sneaked in bi-metal QC badge while the Army Dress Committee wasn't looking and together with a few other units managed by their actions to change the procurement process. I need to check on all this again to make sure I'm right and when I do (which maybe some months from now) I'll let you know what I find out.

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