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Old 29-09-16, 07:39 AM
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I would appreciate clarification if the small brass bugle (facing Left) illustrated is a multi-purpose badge, i.e. can it be a collar, part of a shoulder title, or a bugler's arm badge, etc. Would each category mentioned be obliged to have a differing badge? The attached specimen has 3 loops at back.

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Old 29-09-16, 08:21 AM
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GTB,

You are correct in assuming that they were both a shoulder title badge and the appointment badge of a Bugler.

However as this one is facing right there is a good chance its a shoulder title..

They can be found with 3 and/or two rear loops.

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Old 29-09-16, 10:09 AM
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Thanks, Simon,
re the positioning question (whether facing left or right) I understand that it is the mouthpiece that denotes whether badge is facing left or right. As this badge has mouthpiece facing viewer's left, doesn't this automatically make badge a "facing left" item, or have I got it wrong? Or would it depend on where badge is worn?
Was only one badge worn on the arm?
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Old 29-09-16, 10:42 AM
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L or R?

I would say right, but thats just my opinion.

Buglers wore them on either one sleeve or both.

I have seen WW1 & earlier photos of both.

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Old 29-09-16, 04:08 PM
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Hi GTB,

Here is a close up of this type of bugle being worn. The example shown is of a Shropshire (KSLI) soldier and is on the right shoulder bugle facer rearwards, so I would say your example is for the left hand hand shoulder

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L or R?

I would say right, but thats just my opinion.

Buglers wore them on either one sleeve or both.

I have seen WW1 & earlier photos of both.

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I have an image of an LI bugle major wearing them on both sleeves.
Can also be worn on the wrist strap with the rank badge.
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I have an image of an LI bugle major wearing them on both sleeves.
Can also be worn on the wrist strap with the rank badge.
I would like to see that image if possible.

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Old 29-09-16, 06:10 PM
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Bugles in metal and cloth exist in "left and right" versions. While the GM and WM types are probably for shoulder titles the cloth types are for wear on the left and right sleeve.

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Gilding Metal Buglers arm badges are often seen in WW1 and earlier photos.

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The three loops suggest its the Pattern 7232 bugle sealed 7 September 1910. Worn with shoulder titles, as collar badges and as bugler's badges.

I'd also like the see the LI Major photo if that's possible Mike - do you know which battalion?
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The three loops suggest its the Pattern 7232 bugle sealed 7 September 1910. Worn with shoulder titles, as collar badges and as bugler's badges.

I'd also like the see the LI Major photo if that's possible Mike - do you know which battalion?
When was the sealed pattern for 2 loops?

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When was the sealed pattern for 2 loops?

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Pattern 10011a - the same as Pattern 7232 but with two loops - was sealed 6 April 1898.

It replaced 10011 sealed 2 February 1882. The two dies were very similar but the Pattern 10011 had a perfect oval mouth instead of the distorted one seen in the photo at the top of this thread.

Pattern 10011 replaced Pattern 9299, sealed 15 February 1873, which was ribboned instead of corded.

An Order of 7 September 1906 stated that the right 'Pattern 1011a to be used for metal arm badges, Service Dress, buglers, Light Infantry' - so it was originally intended only to be worn on the right arm.

The bugle was ordered to be worn on shoulder strap by all Light Infantry Regiments on 14 February 1905.

Incidentally, does anyone know if the w/m aa version of Pattern 7232 was ever used for anything other than a bugler's badge?

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Pattern 10011a - the same as Pattern 7232 but with two loops - was sealed 6 April 1898.

It replaced 10011 sealed 2 February 1882. The two dies were very similar but the Pattern 10011 had a perfect oval mouth instead of the distorted one seen in the photo at the top of this thread.

Pattern 10011 replaced Pattern 9299, sealed 15 February 1873, which was ribboned instead of corded.

An Order of 7 September 1906 stated that the right 'Pattern 1011a to be used for metal arm badges, Service Dress, buglers, Light Infantry' - so it was originally intended only to be worn on the right arm.

The bugle was ordered to be worn on shoulder strap by all Light Infantry Regiments on 14 February 1905.

Incidentally, does anyone know if the w/m aa version of Pattern 7232 was ever used for anything other than a bugler's badge?

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Have you dropped a zero from the pattern numbers or added one at the start?

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Well read. Please add a zero to 7 September 1906 and more apologies.
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