KDG & Bays Badges/Titles.

[slick_mick]

Thanks Howard!

I was actually expecting to see smaller versions of the hat badge as collar badges.

Mick

[Cardiffbloke]

Originally Posted by fearnaught

Hi, sorry yes. I,m new and thought everybody could mind-read,and yes I stand corrected 1938 GM. Thanks for all the information. It's really good to hear from someone who knows what theyr'e talking about. I've enjoyed reading this thread.

Glad to hear you find it informative.... you can reward me by selling me the HM collar!!! lol.... i know its not for sale but maybe you can leave it to me in your will?!
Anyway..... KDG only wore WM badges and seemed to have an aversion to the GM badge that has carried on to QDG. When the Star & Garter 1915 badge was replaced in 1938 with the Eagle, the 'official' Army issue was in GM. BUT the Regt knew this so ordered WM versions and sold them in the PRI, making all buy them. Eventually WM was adopted in 1949 as the 'official' badge material. The GM badge and collar were never worn.
Pic attached

H

[Cardiffbloke]

Originally Posted by slick_mick

Thanks Howard!

I was actually expecting to see smaller versions of the hat badge as collar badges.

Mick

Mick
When the 2 Regiments amalgamated in 1959, KDG said thay only wanted 2 things not to change. The Cap Badge and the Regimental March - Redetski's March - and therfore almost all other dress distinctions within QDG are Queen's Bays, including collars, style of titles, NCOs Arm Badges, uniform cloth and Blues overall trouser stripe.....

Small price to pay for a fab badge and March!!
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[Malcolm Davey]

Howard i assumed (wrongly) that these were collars that went with the cap badge as they are a couple of mm smaller.

Cheers
Malc

[Cardiffbloke]

Hi Malc
long time no hear...
They are collars mate.... 1938 pattern WM collars.....the real McCoy....
But just to muddy the waters more.... when BDs came in it seems they also wore cap badges sized collars.... look at the 2 pics.... confusing isnt it.....lol
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[Malcolm Davey]

Thanks for clearing that up for me Howard, by the way i am still keeping an eye out for any of those badges on your expensive list when i go to the Fairs.

Cheers
Malc

[Cardiffbloke]

Originally Posted by jochim

Howard i assumed (wrongly) that these were collars that went with the cap badge as they are a couple of mm smaller.

Cheers
Malc

Malc, just for your records.... you show a 'staybright' badge with WM collars. Neither KDG or QDG wore or wear 'staybright'.
When i joined QDG in 75 i went to Catterick and was issued a staybright badge. I knew the Regiment wore WM and had bought one off a friend. I asked the link Sgt if i could wear it and he firmly told me that i didnt deserve to wear a "Real Badge" yet and could only do so on finishing basic trg. He duly confiscated the badge!
So when the great day came, i arrived at QDG as a Nig Trooper wearing my staybright...... only to have the SSM pluck it out of my Beret on first parade and stamp on it.... after i got out of jail....... i was marched to the PRI to buy one, which i duly buffed up with brasso and cardboard (as was and still is the custom) ready for the next day.... 33 years later..... same badge is still in my SD cap.... shiney as can be!!

[Malcolm Davey]

Howard it is not staybrite its chromed with J.R.GAUNT B'ham on the slider.

Cheers
Malc

[Cardiffbloke]

Originally Posted by jochim

Howard it is not staybrite its chromed with J.R.GAUNT B'ham on the slider.

Cheers
Malc

Hi Malc
This has always been a mystery to me...... and i apologies for my ignorance in these matters....
But We always regarded any badge other than the white metal one and especially one that required no cleaning as a staybright. Now that i am a tadge (and i mean a tadge on staybright matters) more informed; i know that there were chromed, silvered and AA items..... with AA items being the ones termed staybright. I still have a problem differentiating between AA and chromed, silvered is easy.... Therefore, in my simple mind.... anything perpetually shiny is a staybright..... and the one you had in your picture would never have been worn by KDG or QDG and especially with those collars. The badge for those collars is the KDG WM cap badge.

Howard

[Cardiffbloke]

Just to keep the thread going.... Any ideas on what this item might be? The brooch type fixing is original. The badge is 60mm long and 54mm wide, so quite big......It is made of low grade solid Indian Silver.

[Cardiffbloke]

Hi everyone,i am pretty certain this is the bottom half of a gilded Officer's undress pouch badge. As you can see it has post fixings and is around 42mm long by 40mm wide. It would have been surmounted by a crown and in this case almost certainly a KC.
My question is; does anyone know where i might source/find the crown?

[badgecollector]

hi guys
you are obviously the right people to ask.
what are your thoughts on this badge? good, bad, indifferent
thanks in advance
BC

my novice, but trying to learn, thoughts
not ww1 as it should be a slider?
although it looks polished the deffinition front and back isnt as crisp as it should be?
restrike?

[Cardiffbloke]

I would say, that this is possibly, bordering toward probably.... a cast type badge made in either Jordon or Libya during the Bays overseas tour of 1955-57.
But like all badges, they only 'speak' to you when you hold them..... I would say its probably ok.
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[Cardiffbloke]

Here are a few pictures of the badge in question.
Die type 1
1. The Officers Gilt Front and Rear
2. The Officers OSD Bz Front and Rear (Blades have been repaired)

[Cardiffbloke]

Die Type 1 Cont

1. ORs Patt EW Loops Front and rear
2. ORs Patt Slider Fixing