seeding list

[fougasse1940]

Missing from Chris March's excellent book is a comprehensive info on which A/A badges came without seeding to their scroll(s), so I was hoping forum members will help compile this list and post their findings here on the Forum.
There are three categories, only with seeding, both with and without, and only without seeding. What do you all have?

Only with seeding:
AAD20 The Gloucestershire Regiment
AAD41 Lowland Brigade
AAF20 Royal Army Ordnance Corps

Both with and without seeding:
AAD33 The King's Own Scottish Borderers
AAD36 The King's Regiment (Liverpool)
AAF30 Royal Horse Artillery [Silver]
AAF35 Royal Regiment of Artillery [Large]
AAF36 Royal Regiment of Artillery [Small]

Only without seeding:
AAD02 The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment)
AAF28 Royal Corps of Transport
AAF31 Royal Logistic Corps
AAF34 Royal Pioneer Corps [St. Edwards][late]
Rgds,

Thomas.

[KLR]

If I remember correctly, Chris told me a while ago that plain surfaces, without seeding, appeared in about 1964, and quoted some maker's correspondence. This helped me put AA King's badges into a chronology. I haven't seen the book yet but I'd be surprised if this is not discussed somewhere in it.

[hagwalther]

Originally Posted by KLR

If I remember correctly, Chris told me a while ago that plain surfaces, without seeding, appeared in about 1964, and quoted some maker's correspondence. This helped me put AA King's badges into a chronology. I haven't seen the book yet but I'd be surprised if this is not discussed somewhere in it.

Hi KLR,

Yes, that's right - I cover this in one of my chapters but even modern badges like the Gloucestershire Regt by London Badge and Button Co Ltd come with seeding.

Thomas - a lot of people will not recognise the badge designation that you are using e.g. AAF20. I'm sure it will be OK for anyone to just add the regiment/corps name and the designation could be added later.

Quite busy at the mo but a few to keep things going:

AAD33 – The King’s Own Scottish Borderers - Both seeded and unseeded.

AAD20 – The Gloucestershire Regiment - seeded.

AAD41 – Lowland Brigade - seeded.

AAD02 – The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) - unseeded

KLR - if you would like a book please drop me a line - PM or Email - shipping now.

Regards

Chris

[fougasse1940]

KLR: As Chris stated not all post-1964 badges are unseeded, hence this list.
hagwalter: Thanks for your contribution, list amended.
The designation is as used in Chris Marsh's "Anodised Aluminium" badge book and as Chris states should in no way prevent anyone from adding to this thread.
Keep them coming!

Rgds,

Thomas.

[54Bty]

AAF35 Royal Regiment of Artillery [Large] This is the second pattern cap badge and has never had any seeding.

AAF36 Royal Regiment of Artillery [Small] This is the first pattern beret badge and has always had seeding.

Both the first pattern cap and beret badges have the seeding.

Both the second pattern cap and beret badges do not have seeding.

The Royal Horse Artillery beret badge in silver can be found with and without seeding.

Marc

[Mike H]

The Kings Liverpool regt has seeding,but the Liverpool UOTC ,same badge does not.

[KLR]

Precisely !
The OTC badge was Sealed in 1971 (and again in 1993)

What I don't know is exactly when the seeded AA version was introduced.
It was certainly after 1959 - meaning that it was only worn by the 5th TA Bn, not by the pre-amalgamation regular battalion Kings (Lpl) Regt .

[Peter Brydon]

Picture of the seedless sealed pattern Kings badge attached.

I am ( without success ) trying to find out if it was only worn by Liverpool University OTC or by other cadets as well.

P.B.

[fougasse1940]

Originally Posted by 54Bty

AAF35 Royal Regiment of Artillery [Large] This is the second pattern cap badge and has never had any seeding.

AAF36 Royal Regiment of Artillery [Small] This is the first pattern beret badge and has always had seeding.

Both the first pattern cap and beret badges have the seeding.

Both the second pattern cap and beret badges do not have seeding.

The Royal Horse Artillery beret badge in silver can be found with and without seeding.

Marc

Thanks for your contribution Marc. Notice both unseeded versions have the applied wheel, the seeded ones don't. The first RA OR's badges officially issued with the applied wheel.

Rgds,

Thomas.

[fougasse1940]

Thanks all for the King's Regt contributions, I'll leave the distinction between regular and UOTC out of the list in the first post and stick to Chris's generic descriptions.
I suppose this distinction between seeded/regular and unseeded/TA or UOTC will apply to many other regiments as well.

Rgds,

Thomas.

[Mike H]

Peter is the the large Liverpool UOTC (Kings) badge seeded ?

[KLR]

The usual AA King's badge is based on Pattern 14312/1950 (though the bm version made by S&W is unseeded).
Whereas the larger LUOTC badge is based on the earlier Pattern 10042/1926 by Gaunt.
So, yes, it is seeded.

[Peter Brydon]

And here is a picture with the smaller unseeded example on the left side of it.

P.