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Old 14-12-10, 12:29 PM
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Default Crown,Double Headed Lion, Shield "IN DOMINO CONFIDO"

Any ideas on this one please?
4 cm tall, of yellow metal, one piece, west/east copper lugs:
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Old 15-12-10, 12:38 PM
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Apart from the crown it looks Belgian/Flemish.
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Old 15-12-10, 10:58 PM
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You reckon? The ID of this ones's eluded me for years, I see what you mean, but I had'nt considered that it was anything but British. The clue might be the motto, but I have'nt got anywhere with that.
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Old 16-12-10, 08:48 PM
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I would agree with Leigh, the crown is British and I don't know of a Belgium badge with a double headed lion.
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The motto translates as In God we trust. Which doesn't really tell us anything.
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Old 16-12-10, 10:59 PM
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Hello Gents,

Hope you don't mind me tagging along, but thought I could perhaps offer one or two points for consideration by the committee.

A couple of things with this badge do not seem quite right to my eye. Firstly, the KC is rather stretched-looking. It is certainly the British KC/Tudor Crown (whichever name you prefer) but it looks far too wide, and in my opinion, not a design variation that would be officially endorsed.

Secondly, the lion's left front leg looks unnaturally bent the wrong way. I have never seen an heraldic lion with its leg bent downwards - apart from the fact that it is not something a real lion could do, lions in heraldry tend to have their legs either positioned straight out or bent slightly upwards (please see attachments).

Also, the only reference I can find to double-headed heraldic lions, show the creature depicted with both heads facing in the same direction.

I reckon that this badge is very probably some sort of home-made, unofficial club emblem.

Just a thought, and very probably way off the mark.

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Old 17-12-10, 09:50 PM
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By home made you mean kind of "home designed"? The badge looks like it's a "proper" one.

Certainly a limp-wristed lion though, I had really noticed that .
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Old 17-12-10, 10:03 PM
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean, mate.

The design strikes me as being somewhat naive, and not of sufficient quality to be considered (for want of a better word) 'official'.

Very probably completely incorrect, though!

What do you think?

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Old 17-12-10, 10:30 PM
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Theres a double headed lion as a stone masons mark in ST GILES CHURCH, CRIPPLEGATE City of London. Probably nothing to do with it but here's a link.
http://www.middlesex-heraldry.org.uk...ripplegate.htm or wade through this lot.
http://www7b.biglobe.ne.jp/~bprince/.../fdguide11.htm though this seems to be nearer the mark......

FIG. 290.--Lion rampant, tail elevated and turned over its head. FIG. 291.--Lion rampant, with two heads. FIG. 292.--Tricorporate lion.
Lion rampant with two heads.--This occurs (Fig. 291) in the coat of arms, probably founded on an earlier instance, granted in 1739 to Mason of Greenwich, the arms being: "Per fess ermine and azure, a lion rampant with two heads counterchanged." This curious charge had been adopted by Mason's College in Birmingham, and on the foundation of Birmingham University it was incorporated in its arms.
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Old 17-12-10, 10:39 PM
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I work very close to St. Giles' Church - if I get the chance, I'll pop in and see if I can get a snap of it.
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Interesting stuff, the limp paw perhaps makes more sense thinking in terms of the backward facing or turning lion than the forward facing?
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Old 18-12-10, 12:22 PM
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Birmingham UOTC, There's a double header there and a mermaid thrown in for good measure!
http://www.army.mod.uk/UOTC/5470.aspx
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Old 18-12-10, 12:27 PM
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May be getting there.......
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Old 15-08-12, 10:55 AM
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Embarrassingly late with this, but just to tie up an old loose end, here is the double-headed lion from St. Giles' Church, Cripplegate, as mentioned above:

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Old 15-08-12, 12:52 PM
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Better late than never!!
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