Not an album but.......... - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

davec2 · #1 20-10-10, 04:35 PM

A couple of people have made remarks about my ' Modern Badges ' album, I no longer have that album but I'm showing a couple of photo's here, of one or two I especially like and some of my latest acquisions.

In no way can this hinder anyone who wishes to carry out any research on the more illustrious and obscure badges shown in various albums but at least those who are interested, can still see what I'm collecting, one or two are already in tonyb's album, so it's pointless showing them again.

Dave.

one or two are already in tonyb's album. By this I mean we both have the same badge, not that tony has photo's of mine, if you follow ???

DC.

Neil M.ex14/20H.MAN A.C.F · #2 20-10-10, 06:49 PM

Hi Dave
A nice lot of badges.If you dont mind telling me who wares the gilt and enamel M.O.D type badge in the third picture,i have one in gilding metal.
Neil

davec2 · #3 20-10-10, 07:59 PM

Hi Neil,

A few nice badge, loads more but as I said not worth putting them all back on, to the best of my knowledge, the badge in question is worn by M.O.D. messangers, it isn't really a Military badge as such, more to do with the Civil Service, at least that's what I believe, it's in with the other badges because I like it ??

I believe there may be more than one colour of enamel but I wouldn't swear to it, I don't remember seeing one in just gilt, that must look the biz ??

All the best.

Dave.

engr9266 · #4 20-10-10, 08:35 PM

The badge in green is for MOD messengers and there is a red version for Senior messengers. This is a LAPEL badge, one worn on each side. I have both in my collection because I like them.

I know it is a bit late to correct this but I DID mean "collar dog" as opposed to "lapel".

Neil M.ex14/20H.MAN A.C.F · #5 20-10-10, 09:14 PM

Hi Dave and Jerry
Thanks for that,sorry Dave i forgot to ask the Fusiliers in the same picture is it an OSD or a tarnished bi-metal one?
Neil

davec2 · #6 20-10-10, 09:14 PM

Thanks Jerry,

That's two of us who like them, now I've got to find a red enamelled badge too !!

Andy said that you would know, I should have asked you first to save mithering him, two queries though, the first is about Neil's version, being just gilt, who would wear that ? and one for me, is it unusual to have lugs on Lapel badges ?

Thanks in advance.

Dave.

2747andy · #7 20-10-10, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by davec2

Thanks Jerry,

That's two of us who like them, now I've got to find a red enamelled badge too !!

Andy said that you would know, I should have asked you first to save mithering him, two queries though, the first is about Neil's version, being just gilt, who would wear that ? and one for me, is it unusual to have lugs on Lapel badges ?

Thanks in advance.

Dave.

Dave,
lapel badges are also called collar dogs!!

Andy

davec2 · #8 20-10-10, 11:00 PM

Hi Andy,

My interpretation of a lapel badge is the badge you wore on the lapel of a blazer/jacket/suit etc.

A collar badge you wear on the lapels of a uniform ??

If I'm wrong, then I've been wrong since I was a ' cub ' two centuries ago.

Dave.

wright241 · #9 21-10-10, 04:13 AM

Nice one Dave. I like the Pipers one. As already commented, I tend to get badges I like even if they arn't 'mainstream' or 'in scope' as is obvious from my 'odds and sods'.
Couple of things that you may be able to help me with - ref your interest in Pipers badges & working experience.

1. Why there are so many Pipers badges around - especially the NI ones (i.e. Rangers and Brigade) or is that because there were so many over there. I certainly don't remember there being that many and I lived/worked there on and off from 62 to the mid 90's.
2. I assume that the modern day enamelling is plastic rather than glass - or are both 'types' used? I have also noticed that it seems much 'brighter' (if thats the right word) and not as 'rich'/deep in colour - or is this just me?

PS: I am still perservering with the 'repairs' but the Microflame just doesn't get up to a good working temperature - although the 'room' I work in doesn't have a high ambient temperature. So I will have to over to a proper gas bottle.

One last thing. 'Experimenting' with repairs makes me appreciate your repair skills... Keep it up.

Rgds, david

Artynut · #10 21-10-10, 04:35 AM

Hi Dave and others, Earlier in the thread mention is made of "Messengers". When I was a kid at school during the war (WW11), we had a visitor (for what reason,escapes me) who our teacher explained was a "King's Messenger" and that we had to note the little silver greyhound in his lapel. Did I dream that? because I've never heard a reference to that since. Maybe the effect of twice being bombed (V1 & V2) clouded my memory? Regards, David J.

wright241 · #11 21-10-10, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Artynut

Hi Dave and others, Earlier in the thread mention is made of "Messengers". When I was a kid at school during the war (WW11), we had a visitor (for what reason,escapes me) who our teacher explained was a "King's Messenger" and that we had to note the little silver greyhound in his lapel. Did I dream that? because I've never heard a reference to that since. Maybe the effect of twice being bombed (V1 & V2) clouded my memory? Regards, David J.

Funny you should mention that, my Gran - who lived (or tried to) in Catford during the war and had a visit of some sort (later on, when she realised that I collected badges etc) and asked me about it - I put it down to dotage as I had never - or since - seen anything like it.
Sounds like I did her an injustice - she's gone now of course. Wish I had taken her more seriously.

2747andy · #12 21-10-10, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by davec2

Hi Andy,

My interpretation of a lapel badge is the badge you wore on the lapel of a blazer/jacket/suit etc.

A collar badge you wear on the lapels of a uniform ??

If I'm wrong, then I've been wrong since I was a ' cub ' two centuries ago.

Dave.

Dave,
when Jerry says a lapel badge, I think he means a collar badge? Generally the horseshoe type fittings are for badges intended to be slipped into the button hole found on civilian jackets. Lugs are for badges worn in uniform, whatever the colour!

Hey!! But it's only a term and your badges look "Bostin" anyway!

Andy

grey_green_acorn · #13 21-10-10, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Artynut

Hi Dave and others, Earlier in the thread mention is made of "Messengers". When I was a kid at school during the war (WW11), we had a visitor (for what reason,escapes me) who our teacher explained was a "King's Messenger" and that we had to note the little silver greyhound in his lapel. Did I dream that? because I've never heard a reference to that since. Maybe the effect of twice being bombed (V1 & V2) clouded my memory? Regards, David J.

King's Messengers were/are retired officers who carried "Diplomatic Bags" of mail between the UK and our Embassies and High Commissions overseas. They have diplomatic immunity to protect the content of the bags from being opened and searched.

"The Corps of Queen's Messengers are couriers employed by the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office. They hand-carry secret and important documents to British embassies and consulates around the world. Many Queen's Messengers are retired Army personnel. Messengers generally travel in plain clothes in business class on scheduled airlines, carrying an official case from which they must not be separated - it may even be chained to their wrist!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen's_Messenger

davec2 · #14 21-10-10, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 2747andy

Dave,
when Jerry says a lapel badge, I think he means a collar badge? Generally the horseshoe type fittings are for badges intended to be slipped into the button hole found on civilian jackets. Lugs are for badges worn in uniform, whatever the colour!

Hey!! But it's only a term and your badges look "Bostin" anyway!

Andy

Hi Andy,

I know and understand what you are saying, I guess it must be similar to rank stars being called ' pips ' and chevrons being referred to as ' stripes ' ?

David,

I don't really know why there seems to be an influx of Pipers' badges, perhaps they are now being produced for collectors, as in the case of many other badges today ? I'm pleased that my Rangers badge is ' Fire gilt ' rather than the gilt finish a lot of badges have lately....like the collar I had re-gilded for you ??

As for the enamel issue, a couple of years ago, I was sent an officers' Royal Corps of Transport badge to re-lug, I had to remove the ' gilt effect ' front and found that the red backing disc was just red plastic........

When I replace enamel during a repair, I use ' cold enemalling ', this is a resin which is a colour and a hardner mixed together, the colours are weak and as could have been seen in my Household Cavalry badge restoration, the colours are hard to match but when completed, they are passable.

As for the repairs......practice mate, that's all I can advise, I know what you mean re working conditions, I do mine in a metal shed, come the winter, I struggle to get out there ???

Thanks everyone, take care.

Dave.

engr9266 · #15 24-03-11, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by engr9266

The badge in green is for MOD messengers and there is a red version for Senior messengers. This is a LAPEL badge, one worn on each side. I have both in my collection because I like them.

I know it is a bit late to correct this but I DID mean "collar dog" as opposed to "lapel".

Here are mine........