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Old 20-11-20, 05:19 PM
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Default MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM maker mark

There seems to be a general consensus on the Forum that the maker mark MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM should not appear on the sliders of 'other ranks' badges made in white metal (WM), gilding metal (GM) or bi-metal (BIM). The mark is therefore an indicator that the badge is not genuine (i.e. a fake or reproduction), or that it is perhaps a genuine badge and the mark has been added to provide spurious verisimilitude.

The following list (not exhaustive) is an attempt to cover badges that have been seen for sale and/or have been identified on this Forum in recent years.

MARPLES & BEASLEY \ BIRMINGHAM

15th Hussars
17th/21st Lancers WM
21st Lancers (VRI) KC GM
22nd Dragoons WM
26th Hussars GM
5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards KC WM
9th Lancers KC WM
Army Air Corps KC WM
Artists Rifles WM
Duke of Cornwall’s Light Infantry WM
East Lancashire Regiment KC BIM
Glider Pilot Regiment KC WM
Hertfordshire Yeomanry GM
Home Counties Brigade WM
Intelligence Corps KC GM
Lanarkshire Yeomanry GM
Manchester Regiment GM (fleur de lys)
Norfolk Regiment GM
North Irish Horse QC WM
Palestine Police KC WM
Parachute Regiment KC WM
Queen’s Own Yorkshire Yeomanry BIM
Rifle Brigade KC WM
Royal Dragoons BIM
Royal Engineers KC GM
Royal Fusiliers 1st Judean Battalion GM
Royal Norfolk Regiment GM
Royal Ulster Rifles KC WM
South Staffordshire Regiment QC BIM
Special Air Service BIM
Staffordshire Yeomanry KC WM
Staffordshire Yeomanry QC WM
Welsh Regiment WM (2nd VB)
Westmoreland & Cumberland Yeomanry GM


I will post some photos as examples.

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File Type: jpg 9TH LANCERS WM.JPG (87.0 KB, 9 views)
File Type: jpg 15TH HUSSARS GM.JPG (47.8 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg 21ST LANCERS GM.jpg (77.2 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg 22ND DRAGOONS WM.jpg (50.9 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg AAC KC WM.jpg (56.9 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg ARTISTS AA.JPG (98.9 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg EAST LANCS BIM.jpg (55.5 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg HERTS YEO GM.JPG (79.2 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg HOME COUNTIES BDE WM.JPG (90.1 KB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg INT CORPS GM.jpg (52.3 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg JEWIS BN RF GM.JPG (89.0 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg M & B Sliders.JPG (74.1 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg MANCHESTER GM.jpg (62.7 KB, 5 views)
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File Type: jpg NORFOLK REGT GM.jpg (56.6 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg PALESTINE POLICE WM.JPG (54.2 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg QOY BIM.jpg (42.7 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg QUEENS RR GM (2).jpg (46.1 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg QUEENS RR GM.jpg (68.4 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg R NORFOLK GM.jpg (82.0 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg RE KC GM.jpg (120.2 KB, 3 views)
File Type: jpg RIFLE BDE WM.JPG (63.3 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg ROYALS BIM.JPG (69.1 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg SOUTH STAFFORDS QC BIM.jpg (47.9 KB, 2 views)
File Type: jpg WELSH REGT WM.JPG (66.1 KB, 9 views)
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Please comment and add details and images of any examples not listed so far.

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Hi Tim
Are you saying that the Marples & Beasley / Birmingham mark is just completely spurious and should be avoided?
Thanks, cheers,
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Are you saying that the Marples & Beasley / Birmingham mark is just completely spurious and should be avoided?
Thanks, cheers,
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The purpose of this thread is to highlight that it seems from many posts on this Forum that the MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM mark should not be found on metal 'other ranks' cap badges. The opinions posted are that the badge might be genuine but the mark could have been added or that both the badge and the mark are fake.

Keen to hear other members views. The mark when/if found on officers' badges or on the sliders of anodised badges is a different matter!

This picture shows the availability of replacement sliders.

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Hi Tim
Seeing as it is only really O/Rs badges which carry sliders, then we can assume that it is a totally fake and any slider with that mark represents a fake badge?
Sorry for being a bit pedantic here as I think this post is very important and a great topic to question but I just want to make sure I understand 100%!
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Hi Tim
Seeing as it is only really O/Rs badges which carry sliders, then we can assume that it is a totally fake and any slider with that mark represents a fake badge?
Sorry for being a bit pedantic here as I think this post is very important and a great topic to question but I just want to make sure I understand 100%!
Cheers,
Alex
Alex,
There may just be the slight possibility that a genuine badge has had that faked maker mark impressed 'recently' on its slider. Or that a genuine badge has had its slider replaced with a fake maker marked one?

That said I believe all references on the Forum (and there are quite a few - just search "Marples") indicate that ALL other ranks metal badges with sliders maker marked MARPLES & BEASLEY over BIRMINGHAM are fakes.

Still expecting more forensic comments from Forum members.

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