1st ARMD CARRIER REGT. - Opinion Please

[QSAMIKE]

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen.....

Latest pickup at a local gun show........

Not my field but was so cheap could not refuse the chance that the cap badge may be good.....

I am sure that the shoulder flash is a repro but not sure about cap badge.

Please be kind.........

Mike

[Voltigeur]

Hello Mike, according to informations,this is not a good one. First clue, the "O" of Armatos should be oval. There are some more clues that makes this a copy. Q. Price paid?
Jo

[Dwayne H]

I agree that these are both reproductions. Nice hole fillers if you got them for a good price.

Dwayne

[QSAMIKE]

Jo and Dwayne

Picked them both up for $20.00.......

Also picked up a Edward V11 Royal Canadian Artillery, and 3rd Bn CEF......

Not a badge but also a W.W.1, D.S.O.

Mike

[Mike]

there are some pics in the registry as well....


http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/can...ment/index.htm

courtesy Bill Miller.

[WJ Miller]

The cap badge is the common reproduction, the round "O" in Armatos as mentioned is the easiest way to identify those badges. However, I know it can be difficult to tell the difference without seeing a good badge and a bad badge side by side.

The Melton shoulder titile you have is also a common repro, ironically I think it is better construction/embroidery that the genuine melton type. The "genuine" melton type is a late war, postwar variant and I have never seen a "worn" example in any of the veteran memorabilia I've seen. A couple reasons for that may be that it was distributed just days before the regiment was disbanded and there were still a lot of the "BeVo" woven type around. Indeed, some of the vets I know have long lengths of them still.

Genuine Melton type havea shallower overall arc than the repros. The "E"'s in Carrier and Regt. have a short middle bar. The "G" and the "T" in Regt. are not joined by a thread as in the repro style and the bottom right part of the "G" forms an pronounced arrowhead shape not seen in your type of repro.

[WJ Miller]

I should have also mentioned that in the above pic I posted the top two are Wartime titles and the bottom two are repro. Here is another recent repro to appear. The stitching is so coarse and sloppy I can't see this really fooling anyone. The thread is more "pink" than orange. However there is an attempt to give the "G" in REGT. that arrowhead shape...

There is also a fantasy, printed cotton title too , which I will try to post a photo of later today. The 1CACR was not issued and did not wear a "canvas" title other than the generic CAC titles (prior to February 1945).

[boots and saddles]

Excellent thread fellows, very informative, some cluesd I knew of others I didn't. Ray

[Voltigeur]

Fantastic informations.Great details.
Jo

[Phillip Herring]

In the summer of 1984 I visited the RAC Museum at Bovington. They were selling 1CAPCR flashes in the gift shop. I cannot recall if they were the BEVO or melton variety.

Phil

[WJ Miller]

Phil, that is interesting about Bovington Sounds like they may the source for the common embroidered repro as per Mike's original post. Those embroidered pieces are usually backed with a glued on piece of black linen, sandwiched in between is a bit of newsprint. On all the examples I have I cannot find any dates but from some of the classified listings for Austins and Vauxhauls, it is apparent the origin is British.

To my knowledge no one to date has attempted to repro the BeVo style title.

Here is a selection of known reproductions from my collection. if anyone has anything to add I would appreciate seeing them.
1. British melton, red orange thread 1980's. COMMON.
2. British melton, same embroidery pattern as above, just different thread, bright orange and coarse/thick. 1980's or 90's
3. Recent (Pakistani ) 2000's.
4. Canadian, Fantasy Cotton Printed title. no such item existed for this regiment.

[barriefield-brian]

Here is my example. Has different backing but likely still a repro? Cheers Brian

[Bill A]

Hi Brian, That fuzzy "cotton batting" type material is a recent construction method used to back the embroidery. It is a sure sign the badge is of recent (eg since the 1990's) manufacture. Note:Some modern badges are made with this backing material. But, any Second World War through 1968 unification titles that show this are reproductions or fakes.

[barriefield-brian]

Thanks Bill, that was my thought but wanted confirmation. Have taken down all my titles and trying to group them in age. Cheers Brian