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Old 12-04-21, 09:48 AM
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The Borderers may be good, see here:
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=188959
Hmmm that is very interesting...
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Old 12-04-21, 04:25 PM
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Cool KOSB badge

Well I still have my one, maybe it will go in the "not sure" box.

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Old 14-04-21, 08:55 AM
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Alex, The thread you posted has me confused, it states King's Own Scottish Borderers 19151918 ORs Tam-O-Shanter and Glengarry badge in brass, the one shown is in white metal as is my one and the badge in question.

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Old 14-04-21, 03:39 PM
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Hi Lisa and Rob,

Thank you for pointing out my error, copy and post the reason, I have amended the text.
There were White Metal and Brass examples of this striking, I do have a brass example of the same mould with the Lion and Crown 'Dog & Bonnet' unpicked, as I said in my text, these were mass produced in 1915 for wear on the TOS.
Your example is clearly a modern striking and you are quite right the lugs are very obviously of a modern structure and fixing substance.
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Old 14-04-21, 04:39 PM
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Brass WW1 badge? Why was this made?

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Old 14-04-21, 06:44 PM
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Hi Lisa and Rob,

Thank you for pointing out my error, copy and post the reason, I have amended the text.
There were White Metal and Brass examples of this striking, I do have a brass example of the same mould with the Lion and Crown 'Dog & Bonnet' unpicked, as I said in my text, these were mass produced in 1915 for wear on the TOS.
Your example is clearly a modern striking and you are quite right the lugs are very obviously of a modern structure and fixing substance.
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Thank you for taking the time in looking at my post, it is most helpful... Im getting rather a collection of fake / restrikes in stead of the real things lol
This well now reside with my others for reference only pile.
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Old 15-04-21, 03:42 PM
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I have no idea why brass was used other than the fact that I would suspect that it was ready available and cheaper than white metal.

I have attached the photograph I took in the Hooge museum on the Menin Road on my last visit which illustrates the KOSB badges in question beautifully, one in white metal and other in brass both from the same mould and both showing the Lion & Crown unpicked.

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Old 15-04-21, 06:45 PM
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Not everything in museums is original unfortunately and those badges are both not of a design I would recognise as WW1. There was not an official all brass KOSB badge authorised for production.

There are a number of DDay museums in Normandy with donations of badges which are not contemporary and these 2 are probably the same in my opinion. Just my view but I would not have them in my WW1 collection.
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Old 15-04-21, 07:05 PM
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A KOSB I bought back in March 1988 for 3 when I still believed that there were more regiments badges produced as WWI brass economies than there were.
A nicely shaped little badge with hefty feet.
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Old 15-04-21, 07:07 PM
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Not everything in museums is original unfortunately and those badges are both not of a design I would recognise as WW1. There was not an official all brass KOSB badge authorised for production.

There are a number of DDay museums in Normandy with donations of badges which are not contemporary and these 2 are probably the same in my opinion. Just my view but I would not have them in my WW1 collection.
I remember some of the WWI museums in France displaying anodised aluminium and very obvious fakes amongst their decent stuff, decades ago.
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Old 15-04-21, 07:24 PM
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Not everything in museums is original unfortunately and those badges are both not of a design I would recognise as WW1. There was not an official all brass KOSB badge authorised for production.

There are a number of DDay museums in Normandy with donations of badges which are not contemporary and these 2 are probably the same in my opinion. Just my view but I would not have them in my WW1 collection.
Unfortunately many people involved in museums are not badge experts, some years ago I visited the Suffolk museum at Bury St. Edmund's and asked to see the badges, I was taken to a room with the wall covered in frames of badges, very few Suffolk Regiment badges and many fakes.

When I asked the curator why they had lots of other Regiments badges I was told they were donated by a lady whose late husband collected them.

Tactfully I asked to see the Suffolk badges and was then led to another room.

This is the future without knowledgeable people . . !

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Old 17-04-21, 03:56 PM
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Not everything in museums is original unfortunately and those badges are both not of a design I would recognise as WW1. There was not an official all brass KOSB badge authorised for production.

There are a number of DDay museums in Normandy with donations of badges which are not contemporary and these 2 are probably the same in my opinion. Just my view but I would not have them in my WW1 collection.
I beg to differ about there not being a brass King's Own Scottish Borderers cap badge authorised for production, two references 1. page 14 of Scottish Regimental Badges 1793-1971 badge 87 The King's Own Scottish Borderers O/R's World War 1 KC Brass illustrated. 2. See attached photograph of the same badge in the Regimental Museum collection, which by the way the Archivist and Curator is an avid Medal and Badge collector and like myself served in the regiment for over 25 years.

The Hooge museum is not a D Day Museum it is dedicated to WW1 with original trenches within its grounds as is the equipment and artefacts contain within the museum, I have no reason to doubt the curator of the Hooge Museum when he stated that these badges were recovered from the battle field of Passchendaele a few miles up the road, I have also attached some photographs of other items in the museum, also a local farmers out building containing items he has recovered in the last two months from his fields, when I was their.
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Old 17-04-21, 08:58 PM
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If you are happy with it in your collection then that's fine. For me I would not have one in my collection but that's just my opinion.

Scottish Regtl badges is a very dated an incorrect publication I am afraid.
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Old 17-04-21, 09:44 PM
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Having visited sanctuary wood the preserved trenches are worse than triggers broom.
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Old 18-04-21, 05:21 AM
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And going back years ago, it displayed and sold repro British badges.
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