Grenadier Guards Commissioned Quartermasters cap badge

[grenadierguardsman]

Does anyone have any evidence of the above badge. A gilt grenade with white metal royal cypher on the ball ? Rather than speculation.
Andy

[manchesters]

Andy,

Both you and I discussed this exact question very recently on this thread here:-

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...rmaster&page=5

It is clearly defined as such in K & K, so I dont think you can call it 'speculation' really, they authors were pretty well informed.

regards

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Andy,

Both you and I discussed this exact question very recently on this thread here:-

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...rmaster&page=5

It is clearly defined as such in K & K, so I dont think you can call it 'speculation' really, they authors were pretty well informed.

regards

As you know all too well, there are loads of mistakes in Kipling and King. As has John Gaylor and Major Parkin.
Andy

[Luke H]

I know nothing about this badge but have read related threads with interest as well as seeing Emmerson’s badge on eBay.

Andy, I think it’s important to first ask what you would indeed consider evidence.

Someone else, even a current expert or regimental museum ‘saying’ it exists or doesn’t would surely only carry the same weight as K&K’s claim. As you noted, those authors made mistakes but so does everyone - collectors, experts and museums alike i.e. anyone providing any new information.

BW photos of the era won’t differentiate between gilt and GM. So they’re no use.

If it is as I suspect a primary source you’re after then maybe only a sealed pattern card (if it exists) or some documentation from the period referencing the badge (the latter still wouldn’t be evidence of wear) would satisfy you in this quest. I’d say finding a SP or any documents would be very, very lucky indeed.

This I feel is one of those badges like the curly scroll Leinster and Middx PWPB (no photos of either being worn) which comes down to what you believe based on what the old school collectors said, your experience, and ultimately gut feeling.

Good luck in your quest.

Luke

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Luke H

I know nothing about this badge but have read related threads with interest as well as seeing Emmerson’s badge on eBay.

Andy, I think it’s important to first ask what you would indeed consider evidence.

Someone else, even a current expert or regimental museum ‘saying’ it exists or doesn’t would surely only carry the same weight as K&K’s claim. As you noted, those authors made mistakes but so does everyone - collectors, experts and museums alike i.e. anyone providing any new information.

BW photos of the era won’t differentiate between gilt and GM. So they’re no use.

If it is as I suspect a primary source you’re after then maybe only a sealed pattern card (if it exists) or some documentation from the period referencing the badge (the latter still wouldn’t be evidence of wear) would satisfy you in this quest. I’d say finding a SP or any documents would be very, very lucky indeed.

This I feel is one of those badges like the curly scroll Leinster and Middx PWPB (no photos of either being worn) which comes down to what you believe based on what the old school collectors said, your experience, and ultimately gut feeling.

Good luck in your quest.

Luke

Luke
The sealed pattern info is at The National Archives.
Andy

[grenadierguardsman]

1904 Dress Regs Bronze grenade for Officers ! And it doesn't say "with the exception of the Quartermaster". Evidence.....
Andy

[Ex Supt Clk RAOC]

All,

I know there has been a lot of healthy debate on this subject and I have not myself read all posted comments and not being an expert as such I have no real opinion on way or the other.

The reason for the post then is simply that a badge described as above is for sale on ebay, it appeared yesterday Wed 14th Aug 2019 and is up for £120.

Seller is 'Blueboy8111'

I have tried to copy the link and will attempt to post it here but my IT skills are not so good so if it does not work and you wish to check out the item concerned then you will need to search recent posts on ebay. Sorry I can not be more helpful. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-Grena...gAAOSwAItdVIUI

Regards
Steve

[Hawthorn]

Steve,

Link works fine, thanks.

Simon.

[manchesters]

Originally Posted by Ex Supt Clk RAOC

All,

I know there has been a lot of healthy debate on this subject and I have not myself read all posted comments and not being an expert as such I have no real opinion on way or the other.

The reason for the post then is simply that a badge described as above is for sale on ebay, it appeared yesterday Wed 14th Aug 2019 and is up for £120.

Seller is 'Blueboy8111'

I have tried to copy the link and will attempt to post it here but my IT skills are not so good so if it does not work and you wish to check out the item concerned then you will need to search recent posts on ebay. Sorry I can not be more helpful. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WW2-Grena...gAAOSwAItdVIUI

Regards
Steve

That is the standard WO cap badge, not the Gilt version that I showed at the start of the thread.

regards