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Saddler/Harness maker badge
I am confused as to what range of ranks wore these badges and for which regiments. Were they worn only by privates? I read somewhere that it was not worn in the Cavalry; rather strange.
PS. this query is in regard to 1940 and earlier back to circa 1900. Thanks. CB
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CB,
Certainly worn upto the rank of Sergeant in the Royal Artillery. If you look at Grumpys Proficiency Badge book page 11 you will see the badge worn by a Sergeant. He further states the first mention for use by Household Cavalry was in 1923. It did cover all Horsed units, ie. RA, RE, ASC & R.Sigs. regards
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So the Cavalry did wear these badges. I have never seen a photo of an NCO with one however.
CB
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No photo in wear but this may be of interest
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ad.php?t=81207 Tim
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Well, this is becoming even more confusing. The Delhi Spearmen had their own unique saddler's badge....
Did any of the cavalry wear the bullion bit badge at all, or was it the white worsted version? So far I am getting the impression that it was the RA , ASC etc. that mostly wore the bit badge. Am I correct in assuming that my blue on scarlet example would be for the Household Cavalry? CB
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You misunderstand. That badge is an NCO's arm badge worn in the 9th Lancers.
It has nothing to do with being a saddler etc. He would also have worn the saddlers badge to show he was a saddler. regards
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This is an article from 2016 about a Corporal of Horse in the Life Guards who is one of five saddlers in the Household Cavalry Mounted Regiment.
https://www.hcavfoundation.org/takes...r-coh-belasco/ Tim
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Army Order 308 of 1918, introducing what was in effect the badging system current even today, makes the most senior saddler a saddler quartermaster sergeant/corporal, ranking as a WO Class 2, and wearing a crown with wreath AND BIT.
Photos will, I expect, demonstrate that all ranks of saddler wore the bit badge, but the photos will be scarce because saddlers were not established in large numbers, perhaps one per troop, working centrally under the senior rank, in turn under the QM. A bit on blue facing would belong either on a scarlet Household cavalry tunic [Life Guards] or on a blue tunic of Line, and on scarlet facing on the Blues and Royals. After 1868 only Household troops' badges were to be on facing colour, but there is evidence that facings crept back [for cavalry] in the Edwardian period. |
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Well, thanks folks, things are becoming a bit clearer. To summarize what I think is going on, the bit is worn on the upper right arm, alone if a Private, and above the chevrons ( and above the cavalry regimental arm badge) if an NCO. If a senior NCO, the bit would be worn above the crown on the lower right sleeve. Am I on the right track?
CB
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A Sergeant, Dorset Yeomanry, wearing the badge.
Chris |
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Sergeant: bit above ranking on upper right. Might also be on left. Staff sergeant ........... it varied! Bit might be placed ON chevrons, with crown above, on upper right; alternatively bit above chevrons and below crown. Very rare and wrong: crown over chevrons, bit above, upper right. QM Sergeant four chevrons point up, lower arm, possibly bit above/ 1915 to 1918 crown lower arm, possibly bit above/1918 onwards crown in wreath, certainly bit above, on right lower. I lose interest after mid 1920s so perhaps someone can add these details? I have seen bit on both arms for the senior ranks but have not got access to my photographs at the moment. NB: the chain of the bit dangles .... gravity! I have seen it in catalogues upside down. |
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