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Old 06-12-18, 04:48 PM
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Bumping this one up for consideration please:

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The OP shows a soldier with three chevrons and no crown above.
All HC NCOs included the crown with their ranking. I would have expected a 2LG corporal of horse to retain correct rank badge on transfer to the Guards MG. My understanding is that the HC retained their STs, for example.

I can see the logic of being forced to remove the crown to avoid confusion in a unit which also had colour sergeants of Foot Guards [other than GG of course]. I can also see stern resistance.

A bit of a puzzle?
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Old 07-12-18, 08:32 AM
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If his papers are not in WO97 or WO400 at Kew, then simply contact the Household Cavalry Regiments own archive at Combermere, his original papers will have been retained there, the War Office only had copies.
Thanks for this, I have got the form to complete and request a search of the archives for more information.
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Old 07-12-18, 09:21 AM
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If you can give us your relative's name we should be able to find his medal index card, if you do not have it already.
Thank you, I have his medal card (attached) all though I confess I am not sure how to decipher some of the card, the reference to Roses for example, but no clasp ?

I know William was a career military man, the 1901 census finds him at Regents Park Barracks, a Trooper, so if i am correct in identifying him as being the ancestor in the photo, then after some years at that rank he managed to gain the rank of Sergeant (?) during the war - no wonder he looks so proud.
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Old 07-12-18, 10:23 AM
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He would have been 3rd Cav Div, 7th Cav Bde:-

1st Life Guards
2nd Life Guards
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I note that he has the rose on his 14-15 medal. The C/A date is significant (or coincidence) "13/5/20"..... exactly 5 years before they were all in the line at Frezenberg in front of Ypres.
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He would have been 3rd Cav Div, 7th Cav Bde:-

1st Life Guards
2nd Life Guards
Leicestershire PAO Yeomanry

I note that he has the rose on his 14-15 medal. The C/A date is significant (or coincidence) "13/5/20"..... exactly 5 years before they were all in the line at Frezenberg in front of Ypres.
Typo - clasp & roses to the 1914 Star, not 1914-15 medal.
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Old 07-12-18, 11:15 AM
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Old 07-12-18, 11:28 AM
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Thank you, I have his medal card (attached) all though I confess I am not sure how to decipher some of the card, the reference to Roses for example, but no clasp ?

I know William was a career military man, the 1901 census finds him at Regents Park Barracks, a Trooper, so if i am correct in identifying him as being the ancestor in the photo, then after some years at that rank he managed to gain the rank of Sergeant (?) during the war - no wonder he looks so proud.
It's hard to spot, but the reference to clasp is there - "1914 cl & roses......."
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Old 07-12-18, 12:06 PM
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Should there not be mention on the card of the GMGB? I know little of these cards but thought they showed regiments served with? I also thought the GMGB consisted of men from the Foot Guards? Regards, Paul.
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Old 07-12-18, 12:36 PM
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the reference to Rose for example, but no clasp ?
The rose on the medal ribbon indicates being under enemy fire. Seen here with the clasp.
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Probably not as simple as this but.
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The rose on the medal ribbon indicates being under enemy fire. Seen here with the clasp.
Basically being within range of enemy light artillery I think it was, between the dates shown.
Clasp worn on the ribbon that the star was suspended by, rose worn on the ribbon "bar" but the rose is sometimes found mistakenly worn on the ribbon of the star in conjunction with or without the clasp, as shown here.
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Old 07-12-18, 01:30 PM
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Sorry Grumpy, do you mean that was his rank in the photo - not Sergeant?


(My knowledge of military ranks, regiments, medals etc has been gleaned through my family history research by the way, so sorry if I am being a numpty)
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He would have been 3rd Cav Div, 7th Cav Bde:-

1st Life Guards
2nd Life Guards
Leicestershire PAO Yeomanry

I note that he has the rose on his 14-15 medal. The C/A date is significant (or coincidence) "13/5/20"..... exactly 5 years before they were all in the line at Frezenberg in front of Ypres.
Thank you GriffMJ, what is a C/A date ?
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Old 07-12-18, 01:37 PM
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It's hard to spot, but the reference to clasp is there - "1914 cl & roses......."
Thanks Leigh Kitchen, now you say it I can see it !
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Old 07-12-18, 03:02 PM
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As Paul has pointed out in post 23, the Guards Machine Gun Battalion was only made up of members of the Brigade of Guards. The soldier in the opening post is not from the Household Cavalry. Unless he transferred from the 2nd Life Guards he is someone else altogether.
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