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Old 26-10-20, 06:18 PM
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Looking for information. When and why did the Royal Horse Artillery change from the gold anodised staybright to the silver anodised cap badge? Any information is appreciated.
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Old 29-10-20, 02:15 PM
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Looking for information. When and why did the Royal Horse Artillery change from the gold anodised staybright to the silver anodised cap badge? Any information is appreciated.
As to why they changed, i have no idea but i do seem to remember reading (probably in Chris Marsh's book on the subject of Anodised Aluminium badges) that the change to silver took place in or about 1970.

Hope someone with a little more knowledge of this Regt can answer the question of 'why' for you.

Steve
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Old 29-10-20, 03:08 PM
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From another site :
"The cypher badge of the RHA was given official recognition in 1948, as a brass/gilt badge, not silver as it was originally intended. In 1958 the badge was changed from brass to white metal."

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Old 29-10-20, 06:21 PM
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Marc (54bty) has previously posted an extremely interesting and detailed summary of the changes in RHA cypher on this forum that will answer your question and more.

Haven't got time to search for it at the moment but will later unless somebody beats me to it.

Keith
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Old 30-10-20, 03:20 PM
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Thank you Steve, mike_vee and Keith for the information.
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Old 31-10-20, 01:01 PM
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Gents, just for the sake of it as it's a dull rainy day in North Essex . . . .and lockdown 2 looming . . . Attached my anodised RHA set.

Note the gold LB&B error.

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Old 31-10-20, 02:25 PM
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Nice collection there BESS. Is the error on the LB&B badge because it’s “Gold”? Thank you for sharing. Snowed here yesterday in St.Catharines! (And I’m an Essex boy so where in Essex are you?). David J.
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Old 31-10-20, 03:28 PM
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Hi David, yes the LB& B is an error as its gold- way too late maker for it to be a proper temporary gold example (and it isnt seeded).
I'm sure I have it somewhere that the gold changed to silver version very early 70's ( the first silver examples being seeded, later unseeded - both types found with slider or east west lugs).

The anodised gold cypher replacing the brass badge in the early 60's

And I'm based in Saffron Walden . . . .

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Hi Bess,
Nice set! Didn't realise there was 2 different sizes of shoulder titles?
More to try & find!
Good to see thanks.
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Colin
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Hi,

Some bits and pieces from official doco re: A/A cap badges for RHA.

Royal Horse Artillery [Gold]

CB No.
1. CB 3035 - [Tudor]
2. CB 3035


Pattern

1. 19627


Notes

1. CB No. 3035 is recorded in the Catalogue of Clothing and Necessaries (CCN) of 1963 as replacing an obsolete gilding metal item. This number was originally allocated to a Tudor Crowned cap badge, via the List of Changes change C 4717 (change of intent only), and was later retained for use with a St. Edward’s Crowned item via change C 5787.
2. The Tudor Crown variant of this badge is not thought to have been bulk manufactured in anodised aluminium for general issue.
3. Priced, on 25th November 1966, at 1 shilling and 1 penny each.
4. This unit was also also authorised to wear the large badge of the Royal Regiment of Artillery (cap only).


Royal Horse Artillery [Silver]

NSN

1. 8455-99-973-9782


Pattern

1. 19786

1. The silver coloured version of this badge is believed to have been authorised for issue around 1970.

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Gents, just for the sake of it as it's a dull rainy day in North Essex . . . .and lockdown 2 looming . . . Attached my anodised RHA set.

Note the gold LB&B error.

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Bess
Fantastic collection Bess
I have a gold anodised with no makers mark on the slider.
Is this any good?

Chris
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Gents, just for the sake of it as it's a dull rainy day in North Essex . . . .and lockdown 2 looming . . . Attached my anodised RHA set.

Note the gold LB&B error.

Regards all

Bess
Hi Bess,

Possibly arguable re: LB&B Gold being an error. While in this instance I actually do agree with you it should be noted that the first official record of the silver RHA in A/A is the CCN of 1973. Before that (and in 1963 edition of the CCN only (plus a few other pieces of doco - see above)) the offical A/A badge was gold.

As LB&B started up in 1973 could they have had an order of gold before the silver became official? I say, unlikely and if LB&B actually did not get started until 1974 then I would have to agree 100% error. However, (again) the two years of the CCN entry and the start date of LB&B do match.

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Chris
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Gents, just for the sake of it as it's a dull rainy day in North Essex . . . .and lockdown 2 looming . . . Attached my anodised RHA set.

Note the gold LB&B error.

Regards all

Bess
Hi Bess,
Thank you for the photos and info. Very useful in helping me catalogue my collection.

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Old 01-11-20, 08:28 AM
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Hi Bess,

Possibly arguable re: LB&B Gold being an error. While in this instance I actually do agree with you it should be noted that the first official record of the silver RHA in A/A is the CCN of 1973. Before that (and in 1963 edition of the CCN only (plus a few other pieces of doco - see above)) the offical A/A badge was gold.

As LB&B started up in 1973 could they have had an order of gold before the silver became official? I say, unlikely and if LB&B actually did not get started until 1974 then I would have to agree 100% error. However, (again) the two years of the CCN entry and the start date of LB&B do match.

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Chris
Hi Chris,
Thank you for the information. Very interesting. My question has been well answered.
Ian
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Old 01-11-20, 02:03 PM
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Here's mine, no makers mark.
Is it any good please?
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