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Old 29-09-15, 04:07 AM
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I am not sure if this is the right location to post this so please move if necessary moderator.

Attached are two metal wound stripes that I found an would like to post for forum members thoughts and or comments on these.

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Old 29-09-15, 07:47 AM
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Nice original WW1 period wound stripes, worn on the lower left arm by servicemen of British and commonwealth armies who were wounded in action, one wound stripe awarded for each wound received. Worn vertically. Interestingly the American equivalent was the Purple Heart!
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Old 29-09-15, 01:17 PM
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Default WOUND STRIP

WHAT IS THE NO 4 REFERRING TO?

IS IT THE FOURTH PRODUCTION OF THE ITEM

OR HAS THIS SOLDIER HAD 3 OTHER WOUNDS (UNLIKELY).
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Old 29-09-15, 03:50 PM
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Still doing some research on the stripes and talking to a collector, will let you know in a couple weeks.
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Old 29-09-15, 05:58 PM
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Hi

Introduced on 9 August 1916. The distinction was a strip of gold Russia No.1 braid, two inches in length, sewn perpendicularly on the left forearm sleeve of the service dress jacket. Each stripe indicated a single occasion of being wounded.

Sometimes the braid was sewn directly to a wool backing, the wool backing then being sewn to the uniform.
The introduction of this distinction led to some confusion as to what the term wounded referred to, and further instructions were issued later in 1916

A case in hand ; sufferers of what was then termed "shell shock" were not eligible, unless their "state" was a direct result of a shell going off in the vicinity. They were then considered Shell-shock W (wound) Otherwise they were to be considered Shell-shock S (sick) and not eligible for a wound stripe.

The American equivalent was the Wound Chevron, authorised in 1918, and replacing the Army Wound Ribbon of 1917.
The Purple Heart was created in 1932.

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Paul,

During WW1 US servicemen who were wounded wore an inverted chevron on the lower sleeve. see link below,


http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/foru...-wound-stripe/

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Nice original WW1 period wound stripes, worn on the lower left arm by servicemen of British and commonwealth armies who were wounded in action, one wound stripe awarded for each wound received. Worn vertically. Interestingly the American equivalent was the Purple Heart!
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Some very good replies but no one has answered Raymonds question. What is the significance of No.4 ?

I had hoped that the answer might be in "British Uniforms and Equipment of the Great War 1914-18" by John Bodsworth but it is not.

Does anyone know ?

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Old 29-09-15, 06:31 PM
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Some very good replies but no one has answered Raymonds question. What is the significance of No.4 ?

I had hoped that the answer might be in "British Uniforms and Equipment of the Great War 1914-18" by John Bodsworth but it is not.

Does anyone know ?

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I would think it refers to "Provisional Patent No4"
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Colin,

That would appear logical but if so what were the other patterns like ?. I have only ever seen Pattern No.4 on the back plate to a wound stripe.



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Could it refer to "patent" not "pattern"?
Applying and getting approval for a provisional patent would make sense in war time.
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Colin,

That would appear logical but if so what were the other patterns like ?. I have only ever seen Pattern No.4 on the back plate to a wound stripe.



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Hi Peter I have a No2 wound stripe for sale on SMM the back has tabs not lugs.
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There's another No 4 wound stripe on SMM, and interestingly it's marked PAT No 4 followed by what looks like a patent number. This COULD be a later one, once the provisional patent had been approved (hence no "PROV" as seen on the one at beginning of thread.)
Also the bar with the lugs shows a marking of PAT and a different number, again omitting the PROV stamping.
I'm pretty sure the PROV PAT refers to "provisional patent".

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Here are mine

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the two on SMM

http://www.sellmymilitaria.com/site/...stripe&se_regs[]=0&se_cats[]=&se_price_f=&se_price_t=

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Anyone seen a No.1 or No.3 ?

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