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#16
03-04-08, 04:57 PM
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Black Watch
Three versions of the 2nd Battalion SNCOs badge 1881-1902.
no1 Yellow brass overlays with short scrolls and solid silver St Andrew. no2 GM overlays with long scrolls and larger thistles. no3 Gm overlays with medium sized scrolls. I belive these voided badges with the old 73rd Foot facing colour were first taken into use in 1885 whilst stationed at the Curragh in Ireland. Ron. 
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#17
03-04-08, 10:38 PM
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Would welcome comment on this badge. Have had this badge now for many years and it has always intrigued me. Standard pattern KC wwi badge but with a twist. It has the centre fretted with a red felt insert behind held in place by the addition of a bar. There is also a plume holder on it! Has anyone seen the like of this before or know who would have worn it?
Cheers, Dave
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#18
04-04-08, 01:01 AM
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Strange looking badge,why would they have a plume holder when correct me if im wrong,either the hackle or the badge was worn, not both together. Is it poss a theatrical piece or maybe and old soldier has had the badge altered this way for a display Purposes. Cheers Malc
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#19
04-04-08, 04:16 PM
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Interesting badge in 30 years of collecting Black Watch never seen one before.
Probably worn in the feather bonnet,the red cloth definently does not belong. Take a look at my 4/5/6/7th Battalion solid silver PM glengarry Circa 1920s with voided St Andrew and crown.Let me know if you want to sell it. Ron.
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#20
04-04-08, 06:46 PM
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Three more offs
no1 Edwardian example s/p gilt a 7 piece badge in fact if you count the lugs tangs loops and pins it comes to 16 metal parts. no2 Silver and gilt typical WW1 style by McDougals London hm 1913. no3 Officers service dress WW1 very rare Territorial badge,tangs to the reverse. Ron
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#21
04-04-08, 10:53 PM
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Ron / Malc,
thanks for the replies. Like i said, this badge intrigues me. It came from a retired jeweller in Carlisle many moons ago. Have not seen a badge with a plume holder on other than for use on busby`s. The red felt does not look nor feel right so i am not surprised that it is incorrect. I beleive it should be green as in some of your sscanned images Ron. I suppose i thought that it may have been a replacement for an older red backing that may have been used to distinguish battalions such as used by the Royal Scots. Red and green backings to distinguish 1st & 2nd bn`s. Cheers, Dave
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#22
05-04-08, 06:49 PM
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Ron,
i have another badge that may interest you. How does a badge with both `Glasgow Highlanders` and `Black Watch` on it sound? Not good i hear you say. The 9th HLI styled themselves on the Black Watch but were never part of it. The badge i have is not quite what it seems, on first looking at the badge it looks sound as a pound, however, on close inspection the die for Glasgow Highlanders is looks to have been tampred with. Also, there is a cravk in the die on th U of Impune. A repro? No, this badge never existed nor could it exist! It must be a spurious badge therefore. From what i can gather this type of badge is known of and is assumed to have been commissioned as a private purchase by a member of 9HLI. Whether it was to wrankle the Black Watch or merely to go one step closer to being part of the Black Watch i could not say. The badge itself i have scanned and attached. It is of a single strike with no patches or repairs with the detail on the back matching the front. The badge has been relugged NS but has what is left of some very sturdy lugs of an unusual style. The lugs were made of heavy gauge circular wire and twisted at point of connection to the badge alongside each other so that they are parallel on the back of the badge! Most unusual. This badge made its way back from Australia about 10 years ago. Any thoughts on this?
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#23
05-04-08, 10:12 PM
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I have in my collection 12 diferent die strikes for the 1902-36 badge 7off with
Et spelling and 5 off with It spelling after 1925 all badges were it spelling. At first glance I thought your badge has just had the wording THE ROYAL changed to GLASGOW after checking all my It spelling badges I see that it is a completely unknown variation to me.I am at a loss to think what it is. Have attached the nearest version to it which is the afore mentioned Bloomer 138. PM me if you would like to see other scans. Ron.
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#24
06-04-08, 08:43 AM
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This unofficial badge variation is mentioned but not illustrated in Gaylor P71 Chap 8.
K&K Vol2 P154-5 gives May 1925 as the AO date for the standardisation of new badges to have the IT spelling. Alan Last edited by Alan O; 06-04-08 at 08:45 AM.
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#26
24-08-08, 08:10 PM
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4th etc.
It looks like a very good item. If it is in your spares box, is it available ? If so, I would welcome the opportunity to exchange/purchase. Please PM if that is possible. Regards. David
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#27
25-08-08, 06:38 PM
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4th Btn. Black Watch.
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I have just listed a silver plated badge, it has wire prongs and not lugs, I'm asuming mine is probably a copy ??? I would how-ever, like to know what distinguishes the Black Watch badge from the Trinity College, Glenalmond !!! Thanks in advance, Dave. 
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#29
25-08-08, 09:29 PM
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4th Btn. Black Watch.
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Thanks a lot, you can't get more definitive than that, appreciated, mines to the 4th Btn. then. Best wishes. Dave.
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#30
08-09-08, 01:17 PM
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Black watch strange die
I brought this a couple of weeks ago and I do think it's genuine .
The Cast is totally different than any other Black watch badge I have seen . The leafs at that bottom of the badge over the writing are more profound than I have seen on any other badge . This also carries on to the thistles and the writing Black Watch . Has anyone seen this before and any ideas of what period this may have been made . Spencer
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4th Perthshire V.B. Black Watch
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