RNCVR Officer's cap & badge

[RCN]

This is an example of a really rare cap badge --- the RNCVR Officer's cap badge.


The RNCVR was the Royal Naval Canadian Naval Reserve. This unit was the Canadian division of the RNVR, made up of ratings recruited in Canada.
Active time frame was 1914 to 1918 with the RNCVR being disbanded in early 1919, with the post war reduction of the Canadian Naval forces.

The terms RNCVR & RCNVR are somewhat confusing to collectors, and also for that matter, to so called "Official" Canadian government websites! ---

The RCNVR {Royal Canadian Naval Volunteer Reserve} was not formed until 1923.

Bryan

[MPC51]

Here is an example of the RCNVR cap badge

[RCN]

Does the cap badge have the lettering & could you post a close up photo of it pls?

Bryan

[MPC51]

sorry this was done on scanner as camera not available. I will get a clearer shot up shortly. Are you interested in see a RCNR officers cap badge with letters
Mike

[RCN]

Sure post 'em both, I never get tired of viewing RCN insignia!

Bryan

[MPC51]

here is the RCNVR

[MPC51]

Here is the RCNR

[MPC51]

Here is the RNCVR

[MPC51]

Here are a couple other cap badges

[alco]

Hi Mike,

thank you for your pics : very interesting set , indeed !

thanks to Bryan, we had seen a beautiful RNCVR example dated 1914~1918.
I supposed that, following the british RN rules, the lettered badges disapeared after 1921.

But your RCNVR (after 1923) and RCNR badges are opening a new field of research .... (for Bryan ....... ?)

your RNAS badges are perfect - mine seems to be a repro => I have to keep watch

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[alco]

Originally Posted by MPC51

Here are a couple other cap badges

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the PO or CPO badges with 'CANADA' are reported in Roy Thompson's vol.4
and designed for FISHERIES DEPARTMENT.

but this book cover only the 1953~1977 period and your badges are with no doubt older (maybe before 1920 !)

so this identification has to be confirmed ...

to note : you have here a badge with gold anchor on purple background !!!
certainly an ERA ...........
(does the Fisheries Dept have any ERAs ???)

I'm effraid, we have to learn more .......

[RCN]

Originally Posted by alco

Hi Mike,

thank you for your pics : very interesting set , indeed !

thanks to Bryan, we had seen a beautiful RNCVR example dated 1914~1918.
I supposed that, following the british RN rules, the lettered badges disapeared after 1921.


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The lettered cap badges were definitely in use in the interwar period as well.

The RNCVR cap badges were certainly not in use after WWI as RNCVR disbanded in 1919.

But Certainly the RCNR & RCNVR would have been is use as the two were not combined, to create the RCN(R), until after WWII - 1946 as I recall from memory.

Bryan

[RCN]

Originally Posted by alco

Hi Mike,

thank you for your pics : very interesting set , indeed !


But your RCNVR (after 1923) and RCNR badges are opening a new field of research .... (for Bryan ....... ?)


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No, not a new field for me, any Canadian naval cap badge is of interest to me, & yes, RCNR & RCNVR cap badges are, I think, rare, at least I dont have either & to me that makes them rare!

Bryan

[RCN]

Originally Posted by MPC51

Here are a couple other cap badges

I saw the two Fisheries badges at a show yesterday, both in the wartime metal. Unfortunately no camera so unable to get a shot of them.

Bryan

[RCN]

Originally Posted by alco

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the PO or CPO badges with 'CANADA' are reported in Roy Thompson's vol.4
and designed for FISHERIES DEPARTMENT.

(does the Fisheries Dept have any ERAs ???)

I'm effraid, we have to learn more .......

As I mentioned above post, I saw both of these badges at a show yesterday,

& yes, Fisheries would definitely have had ERA's. Many of the coastal & ocean boats were coal burners.

As information --- The pre 1910 Canadian Marine Service (or Canadian Naval Service) was a Fisheries Protection Service. It did not become the Canadian Naval Service formally until 1910,
then in 1911, The RCN.



Bryan