CDN Airborne Wings From The 50s? - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recce · #1 27-11-09, 05:24 PM

Hi I believe these are from the 50s. Yes Mr Bill the back is black cotton,
I checked

.

What I fined funny about this patch is the maple leaf, as you all can clearly see it's a yellow gold. But the front of the Maple leaf is red.
Therefore there is Yellow Gold threads on the front but the colour appears to have rubbed of showing the Red Thread, thats Odd

Infanteer · #2 28-11-09, 08:30 AM

I would agree that those wings are definitely from the 50's based on responses from others on identical wings that I posted on another forum last year. I don't see the reference to red that you mention but regardless, they are without a doubt post war wings.

Recce · #3 28-11-09, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infanteer

I would agree that those wings are definitely from the 50's based on responses from others on identical wings that I posted on another forum last year. I don't see the reference to red that you mention but regardless, they are without a doubt post war wings.

Yes I saw that also on many Posts, on this type of wing they are from the
50s.

If you look at the Picture of the Front, you'll see the Yellow gold Maple Leaf has been rubbed to reveal a Red Thread!

I figured the thread for the maple Leaf would be all Gold Yellow, Looks Like it's not

So they used Red Thread and then Coloured it Yellow Gold??

Infanteer · #4 28-11-09, 11:14 PM

Okay, I see what you are talking about now. I haven't seen this before and don't understand why it would discolor this way. Is it possible that the color is a reaction from being in contact with something else? I really doubt that the thread is made with a red core and yellow exterior but who knows? Could the color have been added on purpose in order to achieve a more realistic looking leaf?

Recce · #5 30-11-09, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infanteer

Okay, I see what you are talking about now. I haven't seen this before and don't understand why it would discolor this way. Is it possible that the color is a reaction from being in contact with something else? I really doubt that the thread is made with a red core and yellow exterior but who knows? Could the color have been added on purpose in order to achieve a more realistic looking leaf?

Well I took Pictures of the Maple Leaf so you can see, I'm

as you are.

No It's not a reaction from being in contact with something Red.

Looks like the Thread was Red and then they Coloured it Yellow Gold, as you can see by the picture of the back.

Could the color have been added on purpose in order to achieve a more realistic looking leaf? Only God Knows

I'm Clueless to even make an Assumption.

All I know from all the 50s wings I've seen the Maple Leaf is Yellow Gold.

But something we did not know about the 50s CDN wings.

54Bty · #6 30-11-09, 07:35 PM

Is it possible that the yellow leaf has been partially coloured with red ink?

Recce · #7 30-11-09, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 54Bty

Is it possible that the yellow leaf has been partially coloured with red ink?

No I would of noticed that right away, Look at the Pictures the yellow gold rubbed of to revile Red thread.

As you can see there's still Yellow gold thread on my wing, all around the Maple Leaf.

Infanteer · #8 01-12-09, 04:14 AM

Thanks for the enlarged photos. I now think more than ever that the red color has been added since there is no visible evidence of wear to either the leaf or the surrounding area. Perhaps someone added the red color during the transition period from the army to the unified Canadian Forces in 1968 when the leaf was changed to red for a basic jump qualified individual. Just a guess, but IMO the color has been added.

Recce · #9 01-12-09, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infanteer

Thanks for the enlarged photos. I now think more than ever that the red color has been added since there is no visible evidence of wear to either the leaf or the surrounding area. Perhaps someone added the red color during the transition period from the army to the unified Canadian Forces in 1968 when the leaf was changed to red for a basic jump qualified individual. Just a guess, but IMO the color has been added.

Yes it shows of allot of wear on this wing, like something was rubbing against just that aria, plus you got red threads next to the
Gold Threads It would of been very impossible to add the Red on one thread only next to a gold one. And one thread is gold and then it turns Red.

I'll Try rubbing the back of the Leaf and see what it reveals.

Thank you all for taking the time.

Infanteer · #10 02-12-09, 12:45 AM

Well, you know best as you have the wings in hand to examine closely. From the photo it appears to me like there are threads that are partially colored red and yellow and I don't see any fraying of the threads that would indicate wear. But if you insist that it is wear than I guess I have nothing more to add. Very strange wings and I hope you figure this mystery out.

Recce · #11 02-12-09, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infanteer

Well, you know best as you have the wings in hand to examine closely. From the photo it appears to me like there are threads that are partially colored red and yellow and I don't see any fraying of the threads that would indicate wear. But if you insist that it is wear than I guess I have nothing more to add. Very strange wings and I hope you figure this mystery out.

Well no I don't know best, to me this is puzzling! Why would someone Colour the Leaf Red

and leave Yellow gold threads on it??

You gave me a few good Ideas, I'll take a thin Needle and move the treads around to see whats under the Red Threads

You know the Sargent Sach is red and I believe Warrant Officers or I think the RSM wear It left shoulder to right hip.

Well you got that Right Very Strange wings Indeed, first time I've seen this, and I've seen many 50s wings.

Thank you for taking the Time It was appreciated.

Infanteer · #12 02-12-09, 11:31 PM

Ummm, not sure what point you are making about the senior NCO sash, but as a Sgt in the PPCLI I wore my sash from the right shoulder to the left hip and the WO's and RSM did the same (as far as I recall.... it's been about 6 years since I wore an army uniform) but their sashes were a darker red and perhaps a bit better quality. Anyway, I'm sure that's not the point.... what was the point... ?

edstorey · #13 09-12-09, 02:21 PM

These are some of my older wings.

Noiseboyz3 · #14 27-09-12, 12:01 PM

A late comment but better late then.... If you look closely on the right side of the maple leaf there appears to be red on the white wing as well as red on the black space between the wing and the shroud line. I am proposing that the red was added and whoever did it stopped before covering everything or some of the red has rubbed off. As to why it was done...who knows. Perhaps someone did it and said we should have new wings for the new CF uniform and this is my idea of what it should be like.

Paul

Tonomachi · #15 28-09-12, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 54Bty

Is it possible that the yellow leaf has been partially coloured with red ink?

Interesting wing and I think 54Bty is right in that the maple leaf was purposely colored red and probably on a uniform for a period of time where normal wear and repeated laundering caused the red color to bleed and come off. Could this be some sort of transition wing where a soldier decided to keep the older wing on his uniform and modify it to look like the new para wing? This was done in the US where soldiers used a black felt marker to change their white thread on OD para wings to black (subdued) on OD para wings. It was easier to do this then taking the older para wings off of their uniforms and have the new subdued para wings sewn on.