Shoulder belt plate for ID and period please

[arrestingu]

...picked this up today , can anyone confirm the date this was authorised , I believe Napoleonic and maybe one of the guards regiments ??
Constructed in four parts.
Silvered Bronze with star in silver , centre in either enamel or painted.
Blue enamel under cut out lettering ....plate is darker than in pics due to natural oxidization.
Pictures weren't the best so re taken !!
Thanks
Dteve

[manchesters]

Steve,

Judging from its poor construction and coloration I would think its a modern copy.

regards

[arrestingu]

Hi Simon
Thanks for your reply , sorry pics were with flash , agree didn't look great !!
New pics added.
I am happy it's genuine , silver has oxidised on bronze. Silver badge has been hand engraved.
Thanks
Steve
..... still after an exact date for use of this star pattern for the guards !! Thanks ��

[grenadierguardsman]

Allegedly Coldstream Guards.....
Andy

[grenadierguardsman]

Was it expensive, as an original would be IMHO.
Andy

[arrestingu]

Thank you Andy for the ID.
The red is enamel under magnification which has fragmented off the high point ; the white enamel appears to have been painted over at some time.
Hooks and bolts are as per others in my collection .
Cheers
Steve

[Toby Purcell]

The quality doesn’t seem right for a Coldstream Guards SBP, it might be Royal Surrey Militia, who also used the Garter star and strap as their insignia.

[Toby Purcell]

Looking further into the design used during the Georgian period, it does seem correct, but not in the best of conditions. See examples enclosed. It was used 1795-1805.

[badgecollector]

maybe partly right although I don't like the look of it at all
Steve, I know you say the red is enamel but the center piece does not appear enamel but enamel paint. there is not any boarders to contain the enamel from running when fired.
maybe the center piece has been replaced and touched up.
bc

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Looking further into the design used during the Georgian period, it does seem correct, but not in the best of conditions. See examples enclosed. It was used 1795-1805.

Would it be correct for Coldstream Guards if all in silver?.
I did a check of "Parkyns" yesterday, it showed this design of plate but gilded and with plain rays to the star.

[arrestingu]

Hi all,
Under magnification , the bronze has been gilded at some time , remains of fire gilding to edge design.
It is possible centre may have been redone at some time. Definitely remains of red enamel, the white has been painted on. But the there is some white enamel remaining.
Cheers
Steve

[leigh kitchen]

From "(Military) Shoulder-Belt Plates and Buttons" ("Parkyns") -
Illustrations in the Manual Exercise 1795 (illustrations in it probably executed some years before) show the officers wearing oblong plates.
The late PW Reynolds states that all the officer's in the Grenadier Companies of Foot Guards had oblong or rectangular plates with the design of the lion within a crowned garter, appearing to be very similar to those worn for many years by the 29th Regiment.
Battalion Companies appear to have had oval plates with the design of the garter star.
In the case of officers the plate was gilt with a beaded rim (fig. 65).
The star was silver and the garter gilt with the motto in pierced letters on a blue enamel ground, the cross in red enamel.
The oval plate would appear to have remained in use until about 1825.

[leigh kitchen]

The "Soldiers of the Napoleonic Wars" series of of publications by Bryan Fosten and Alex Kemp shows basic illustrations of Coldstream Guard officers wearing oval plates in various orders of dress and mentions "it may be that the staff sergeants, colour sergeants and the Sergeant Major had a similar pattern to the officer's but this is not clear".

[arrestingu]

Thank you for that, the star matches !! Just the centre of mine being slightly shot !! Or missing it's central plate.
Cheers for that Leigh
Steve

[arrestingu]

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