Yeomanry Buttons 1900-1952

[CAM]

I have just uploaded an album of Yeomanry Buttons 1900-1952.
My collection of Yeomanry Buttons from approximately 1900-1952 taking into account previous era buttons and titles remained in force including type of crowns. Please feel free to comment.

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...p?albumid=3511

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Warwickshire Yeomanry TF (Hussars) (2nd Yeomanry) - White Metal
Yorkshire Hussars Imperial Yeomanry (Rose only) - Brass
Shropshire Imperial Yeomanry (Circlet) (QVC) - Brass
Pembroke Yeomanry - Brass
Hampshire Yeomanry (Carabineers) TF (Laurel Wreath) - White Metal
Hampshire Yeomanry (Carabineers) (Hants Carab) - Brass
Hertfordshire Imperial Yeomanry (Garter) - Brass
Royal 1st Devon Imperial Yeomanry - Brass
Royal North Devon Yeomanry KC - White Metal
Royal North Devon Yeomanry Artillery - White Metal
Kent Yeomanry with KY - Brass
West Somerset Yeomanry TF (Hussars) (33rd Yeomanry) - White Metal
Oxfordshire Yeomanry ( Queen's Own Oxfordshire Hussars) TF (34th Yeomanry) - White Metal
Montgomery Imperial Yeomanry - White Metal
Queen's Own Royal Glasgow Yeomanry TF (Dragoons) (37th Yeomnry) - Brass
Lancashire Hussars Imperial Yeomanry - White Metal Lancashire Hussars Yeomanry TF (38th Yeomanry) - Brass
Surrey Yeomanry (circlet with crown) - White Metal
Welsh Horse (44th Yeomanry)
Lincolnshire Imperial Yeomanry - Bronzed
Lincolnshire Yeomanry TF (Lancers) (45th Yeomanry) - Gilt
2nd County of London Imperial Yeomanry (Westminster Dragoons) - Brass
3rd County of London Yeomanry (Sharpshooters) TF (48th Yeomanry) - Brass
Bedfordshire Imperial Yeomanry (Compton's Light Horse) - Brass
Essex Regiment Imperial Yeomanry
Northamptonshire Yeomanry TF (Dragoons) (51st Yeomanry) (NY under crown)
Lovat Scouts Yeomanry ( 'Y')
Lovat Scouts Yeomanry (no 'Y')
North Irish Horse - White Metal

Chris

[btns]

Thank you for making this album.
I do have a question on the 'Yorkshire Yeomanry - White Metal', i.e.
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=157290
Are you sure it is not a Lieutenant of County of England button?

[High Wood]

An excellent album and a very useful reference resource.

[Cribyn]

Hello Chris

Congratulations on an excellent album, it must have taken you a long time to collect, record and make into an album! Thanks for all the effort and for sharing with the rest of us.

Hope you don't think it is nit-picking but I must say I agree with btns about your Yorkshire Yeomanry silver button. This looks to be a mounted button and is most likely a Lieutenant of County of England button as btns says.

I think your brass crown over rose version may also not be Yorkshire Yeomanry but the Intelligence Corps.

I believe the identification error stems originally from Howard Ripley's first book on 'Buttons of the British Army 1855-1970' where he describes this button as 'The Queen's Own Yorkshire Dragoons' but in later editions of that book he corrected this to 'Intelligence Corps'.

Certainly in his recent book specifically on Yeomanry Buttons there is no mention of this pattern of button being for any unit of Yorkshire Yeomanry (there is a small gold and silver anodised version with QC for the cap but the pattern of rose appears very different).

Unfortunately the misidentification is still being repeated on sites such as ebay and on dealers' lists.


Roger

[Rob Miller]

The Intelligence Corps Yorkshire Yeomanry button question has puzzled me for some time. Here is a medium button in my collection which I think is Intelligence because the flat of the petal is against the crown as in the cap badge, the two shown in Chris's album have the gap between the petals upwards?

Rob

[Cribyn]

Originally Posted by Rob Miller

The Intelligence Corps Yorkshire Yeomanry button question has puzzled me for some time. Here is a medium button in my collection which I think is Intelligence because the flat of the petal is against the crown as in the cap badge, the two shown in Chris's album have the gap between the petals upwards?

Rob

Hello Rob

There may well be subtle differences in the design of rose used on the Intelligence Corps button, just down to the maker perhaps. However, there is little doubt in my mind that the silver mounted design is that for HM Lieutenants of Counties. The roses in that button and the brass one next to it appear to be identical but I do not suggest that there is a link between the two.

If the brass version is Yorkshire Yeomanry (and not Intelligence Corps due to the variation in the rose), then is there any provenance for this? I have only ever seen this brass version described as Yeomanry in Howard's first 1971 edition book but corrected in later 1979 and 1983 editions (in an additional page) as I mentioned. His subsequent 'Yeomanry Buttons' book is pretty thorough (although I'm sure Howard would be the first to accept that there are omissions and errors) but no mention of this very common KC crown over rose button as Yorkshire Yeomanry.

Roger

[Rob Miller]

Hello Roger

I can't argue with any of that.

Rob

[Roy]

A wonderful album Chris,

Well done.

Cheerio,

Roy

[Expat Yeoman]

Rob, great album, thanks for sharing.

Re the Essex Regiment Imperial Yeomanry, Ripley lists it (and it does exist, but is super scarce) but the application for that title was rejected by the authorities and there is no evidence that the buttons were ever actually worn by the Regiment.

You could choose to discount that one on that basis, depending on your collection criteria.

EY

[Lazio]

Hi Regarding the Rough Riders is there a reason you don't have the button with the city of london yeomanry around the spurs? sorry noticed it now on a later page

[CAM]

Originally Posted by btns

Thank you for making this album.
I do have a question on the 'Yorkshire Yeomanry - White Metal', i.e.
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ctureid=157290
Are you sure it is not a Lieutenant of County of England button?

Thank you for the responses. Bttns, Rob and Roger, I take the points on County Lieutenants and Int Corps. I have no experience of County Lieutenants. Bizarrely, I can remember a conversation from my early Army days in late 70s about Yorkshire Yeo and Int Corps buttons, but this was regarding anodised buttons.

I shall reorganise soon - this adds to the frustration of my recent posts about editing albums - c'est la guerre!

Expat Yeoman - thanks for info on Essex Regt Yeo - I noticed a medium button went for quite a lot on eBay recently (my bid was far to low).

Chris

[CAM]

Originally Posted by Lazio

Hi Regarding the Rough Riders is there a reason you don't have the button with the city of london yeomanry around the spurs? sorry noticed it now on a later page

Lazio,

I made a mistake on my first upload and had to enter it later - re comments on editing. My point about editing is specific to albums like this when you try to follow an order e.g. Order of Precedence and cannot easily amend it. There are a couple of other minor errors of precedence due to my 'fat fingers' and the temperament of the the upload.

Will try harder next time.

In arduis fidelis.

Chris

[leigh kitchen]

I've nothing to offer re. the Int. Corps / Yorkshire Dragoon button issue, but a question - when different roses on buttons are mentioned is this refering to what may be a Union Rose on Int. Corps buttons and a white rose of Yorkshire on Yorkshire Dragoon buttons or some other aspect of design please?

[Cribyn]

Originally Posted by leigh kitchen

I've nothing to offer re. the Int. Corps / Yorkshire Dragoon button issue, but a question - when different roses on buttons are mentioned is this refering to what may be a Union Rose on Int. Corps buttons and a white rose of Yorkshire on Yorkshire Dragoon buttons or some other aspect of design please?

Hello Leigh

I think this may be the root cause of the problem. On checking just the 1900 Dress Regulations it would seem that there is room for confusion, possibly resulting in different makers producing different roses for what should be the same pattern button.

To take just a few examples from the 1900 Dress Regulations:-

King's Own (Royal Lancaster) Regiment button specifies "Rose";
Royal Fusiliers "the Rose";
Hampshire Regiment "the Hampshire Rose";
East Lancashire Regiment "the Rose of Lancaster";
King's Own Yorkshire Light Infantry "the White Rose";
York & Lancaster Regiment "the Union Rose"

and so on and that's just for infantry!

I suspect that in the good old days some button makers may well have thought "a rose by any other name is still a rose" (to misquote Shakespeare!) and this may well account for the variations in roses that can be found on buttons of the same pattern.

Roger

[leigh kitchen]

Thanks.