5 chevrons

[Anjoucollector]

Good afternoon,

I need your help to identify these chevrons. Good conduct ?

Laurent

[grey_green_acorn]

Yes, Good Conduct and Guards Pattern (wider pattern chevron) worn on lower sleeve of No2 dress, point uppermost.

Tim

[mike_vee]

For sale online , description :

NSN: 8455-99-496-1882

Badge Title: 5 Bar Chevrons All Other Regiments and Corps, Service Stripe

Force: British Army

PS - According to Wiki ; The Good Conduct stripe was discontinued by the British Army in the 1970s .

[grey_green_acorn]

It is the wider 'Guards Pattern' brown on khaki, also worn by the Honourable Artillery Company.
Here are the 4 Bar and 6 Bar versions.

However, are they actually worn?

Tim

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

It is the wider 'Guards Pattern' brown on khaki, also worn by the Honourable Artillery Company.
Here are the 4 Bar and 6 Bar versions.

However, are they actually worn?

Tim

I haven’t seen any good conduct badges worn since the early 1970s. In part this was because No2 Dress, the only uniform on which the badges were worn, was much less used than its predecessor, Battle Dress. Added to this there were increasing pressures placed on tailoring services to reduce expenditure. Unit tailors were abolished (unless by use of misemployed soldiers on a black economy run at the risk of commanding officers), and the replacement garrison tailors struggled to keep up with demand so that rank badges, alterations, and medal ribbons were prioritised to detriment of all else. Even the Guards (Horse and Foot) who retained their own tailors, found it inconvenient to issue good conduct badges, which increasingly began to be seen as archaic. An added factor was that with the end of National Service (conscription) an effort was made to modernise discipline in such a way that was seen to be more appropriate, but without losing high standards. It was done more by carrot than by stick. This too caused good conduct badges to be less relevant. The decade of the 1960s really marked the watershed of their demise.

[grey_green_acorn]

Thanks Toby. I cant remember seeing any worn during my service (1969 - 2001) with the exception of 4 Bar chevrons of this Grenadier Guards Drum Major.

Tim

[Hawthorn]

Good conduct chevrons were still being worn in the 80's in The Coldstream Guards, will try and dig out some old Company photographs at the weekend and post them here.

Simon.

[Anjoucollector]

Thank you Tim for your reply

Laurent

[Anjoucollector]

And many thanks for all other members for your comments

Laurent

[grumpy]

They survive in Clothing [Dress, actually] Regulations, even those amended to very recently.

I believe the Brigade of Gurkhas continue to wear them.

Current periods 2 1//2 years, 5, 10, 15 etc.

When I did my research several Regimental Adjutants of Foot Guards said they were discontinued on the scarlet Home Service tunic in the 1980s, as marking the garment so that it could not be handed on.

All time record believed by me to be 12, held by several.

[Toby Purcell]

It’s interesting to learn that there might be some later usage than I’ve seen. It will be great to see some photos in order to determine dating. I don’t doubt that regulations will have been retained, but they are certainly ‘largely’ dormant in terms of implementation.

[grumpy]

Battalion and regimental bandsmen/musicians were often long-serving with little prospect of promotion beyond lance corporal, so they accrued armfulls of good conduct badges.

After 1906 +/- a couple of years the badges carried no extra pay.

They did , however, have considerable perks, in peacetime at least.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grumpy

Battalion and regimental bandsmen/musicians were often long-serving with little prospect of promotion beyond lance corporal, so they accrued armfulls of good conduct badges.

After 1906 +/- a couple of years the badges carried no extra pay.

They did , however, have considerable perks, in peacetime at least.

I’m a bit confused now. All of that is of course true and mentioned by you in various posts in the past I seem to recall, but I’d thought that the focus of this particular thread was the OPs badges and assessing more contemporary usage?

[grey_green_acorn]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 bar chevrons (Stripes Service) in ‘Guards Pattern’ are listed in JSP768 in FAD type with new ‘496’ NSNs (see my post no 4). So an expectation in the system that there is a requirement post 2011. 4 bar is needed for Drum Majors badge of appointment of course, but 1, 5 and 6?
Tim

[grumpy]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

I’m a bit confused now. All of that is of course true and mentioned by you in various posts in the past I seem to recall, but I’d thought that the focus of this particular thread was the OPs badges and assessing more contemporary usage?

Sorry I spoke.