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Old 29-01-11, 01:21 AM
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Please could I have some opinions. I recently won on ebay what was described as an, 'Original Victorian Northumberland Fusiliers, Cap Badge'.

The badge has a lovely patina on the front, however the back has no patina at all - it's a gleaming clean brass colour. The Flames loop is a nicely patinated copper, abeit with small shiny scratches made by what look like tool marks. The grenade loop is a shiny new brass colour and slightly different in shape to the copper loop.

I'm sure the badge is genuine (I hope), I've bought badges from this seller before and have been very happy with them, but I can't help feeling there's something 'odd' about this badge that wasn't disclosed. Dunno . . .

I'm far from being an expert, or even fairly knowledgeable, so I would appreciate any feedback, thoughts, what should I do . . .

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Old 29-01-11, 08:52 AM
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Hi elgee45
I'm not sure about the authenticity of your badge, but I have had a few badges over the years which were 100% genuine that had either been on a board for many years or left on a cap or something. The fronts all had a nice patina, but the rear was as shiny and new as the day they were made.
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Old 29-01-11, 09:59 AM
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Thanks, Alex, that's somewhat reassuring, but I worry about having one nicely patinated (though scratched) lug and a shiny new-looking lug that's a different shape and seems to be a made of a different metal.

As I said, I've bought good badges from this dealer and I believe he enjoys a good reputation; there's just something about this badge that I can't quite put my finger on.

Lawrence
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Old 29-01-11, 10:41 AM
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It might be the photo but the colour is possibly the result of the heat used to replace the bottom lug.
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Old 29-01-11, 10:50 AM
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Please could I have some opinions. I recently won on ebay what was described as an, 'Original Victorian Northumberland Fusiliers, Cap Badge'.

The badge has a lovely patina on the front, however the back has no patina at all - it's a gleaming clean brass colour. The Flames loop is a nicely patinated copper, abeit with small shiny scratches made by what look like tool marks. The grenade loop is a shiny new brass colour and slightly different in shape to the copper loop.

I'm sure the badge is genuine (I hope), I've bought badges from this seller before and have been very happy with them, but I can't help feeling there's something 'odd' about this badge that wasn't disclosed. Dunno . . .

I'm far from being an expert, or even fairly knowledgeable, so I would appreciate any feedback, thoughts, what should I do . . .

Sorry, the pictures aren't that great.
As far as I can tell from the photos it looks OK, here is a genuine one which I sold the other week for comparison, look at the detail and position of the lugs!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MESOX:IT

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Old 29-01-11, 11:13 AM
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Thanks for that Alan and Andy. Yes, the grenade lug does appear to be a replacement. What's the convention with offering repaired badges, should the repair be mentioned in the description?

Anyway, I'm happier with the badge than I was. Thank you again for taking the time to reply.

Lawrence
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Old 29-01-11, 11:52 AM
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Hi, if the badge has been repaired, then the seller should mention it, but
not all of them do.in some cases they may not even notice a repair
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Old 29-01-11, 12:23 PM
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A good point raised with regard to repairs.

I recently advertised a badge that has had what I believe to be its original slider professionaly re-fixed making no mention of the repair but with a start price far less than I have seen the same badge on a dealers table.

That said, should I sell a badge that has had either its lugs or slider replaced, no matter how well done. I would certainly mention it as to me the originality of the badge is compromised somewhat.

Just my opinion.

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Old 29-01-11, 12:53 PM
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As far as I can tell from the photos it looks OK, here is a genuine one which I sold the other week for comparison, look at the detail and position of the lugs!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MESOX:IT

Andy
Who was the mug that paid a ridiculous amount for it?
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Old 29-01-11, 01:23 PM
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Who was the mug that paid a ridiculous amount for it?

Keith,
that's quite a crass response, I don't think any of my buyers are "Mugs", neither would I list a badge at an inflated start price! When some are willing to pay OTT at auction houses for badges, I don't think they can criticise those listed at pocket money prices. That badge is over 107 years old, in perfect condition and IMO worth every penny of the selling price!

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Old 29-01-11, 07:47 PM
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Hi Lawrence,
This will show you how badges can differ front to back, this is one from my Boer War collection , they were on a board I bought with a mate ( Magpie ) which can be seen in my album. They were all the same on the front, but the back was like this, hope this reassures you,
best wishes, Wilf.
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Old 29-01-11, 08:01 PM
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i think if a badge has been repaired you would expect to pay a lower price
for it compared to the same pattern badge that hasnt been repaired .
it will knock some value off the badge
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Old 31-01-11, 08:47 AM
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Keith,
that's quite a crass response, I don't think any of my buyers are "Mugs", neither would I list a badge at an inflated start price! When some are willing to pay OTT at auction houses for badges, I don't think they can criticise those listed at pocket money prices. That badge is over 107 years old, in perfect condition and IMO worth every penny of the selling price!

Best regards

Andy
Andy, I disgree. £24.99 for a looped line infantry badge is a fools price IMO and dealers are often hammered on here for charging more for them.

There was never any intention to criticise the start price and I never even bothered looking at how many bidders there were, good luck to you if you can sell it for that amount, I wish I could.
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I assume this is an example of this type and is a good original.
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Old 10-08-13, 07:43 PM
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Cool Looped Northumberland Fusiliers

Interestingly, I put a looped Northumberland Fusiliers cap badge on the forum classifieds £10.00 which included postage to the UK.

The badge was entirely original with a nice patina and loops that were that nice dark colour, almost black.

72 views, several comments from fellow forum members and no offers. I feel many badge collectors could benefit in joining this forum if only to buy badges from members at reasonable prices.

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