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Old 12-07-12, 01:50 AM
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Hi, would anyone have any info on this Scottish badge? It measures about 58mm. Is this Scots Guards?
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Old 12-07-12, 03:07 PM
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A Victorian Scots Guards pipers waist belt clasp badge?

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Old 12-07-12, 03:16 PM
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Hi guys,
I'd say it is The Scots Guards Piper's Edwardian waist belt clasp.

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Old 12-07-12, 06:34 PM
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Hi,
A very handsome badge, thanks for showing it.
Most plaid badges had a brooch fastener so Thomas's suggestion of a waist belt badge seems valid.
What are the initials in centre, TR? IR? Definitely not VR.
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Old 12-07-12, 10:22 PM
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Tinto, I think it is TR in the center. What would that stand for?
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Old 12-07-12, 10:25 PM
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Hi,
That's a good question! Possibly a member of the Royal Family?
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Old 13-07-12, 09:37 AM
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Hi all,
this is the only other example I've seen of this badge: http://www.bluebellmilitaria.co.uk/myarchive/240.jpg

And here is its description (if it may help):
A rectangular burnished and silvered plate approximately 3.25 inches by 2.5inches with the four corners clipped.
A wreath of thistles surrounds the Star of the Order of the thistle. To the centre the strapped quoit bears the thistle motto"NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT" and within the quoit the Edwardian monogram.
The fixed loop and clip are present but the adjoining loop is absent. The front device is secured by 2 wires.

The letters in the middle are R and E and are part of King Edward VII's monogram.
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Old 13-07-12, 10:44 AM
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If one compares the Bluebell image with the one posted here, the cyphers differ. The Bluebell is indeed Edward 7th, the one posted here has "VR" which stands for Victoria Regina.
The Scots Guards pipers waist belt clasp badge assumption was based on an image of the current EiiR cyphered version as shown in Hodges.

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Old 13-07-12, 12:36 PM
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Here's a scan of the cypher. It looks like a VR to me know that I look closer. Would anyone have approx. dates for this. I know Queen Victoria's reign was 1837-1897.
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Old 13-07-12, 12:45 PM
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It looks like VR to me too and her reign was from 1837 to 1901.

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Old 13-07-12, 12:50 PM
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OK, thanks Jim
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Old 13-07-12, 06:18 PM
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Hi All,
Yes, the cypher would have to be a VR, albeit indistinct.
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Nice badge!
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Old 13-07-12, 06:49 PM
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My mistake then.
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When compared to this I am not sure?
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