Rampant Lion (Blackened) .... who? What?

[Cribyn]

Actually chaps, Picton Castle is in Pembrokeshire - http://www.pictoncastle.co.uk/

[GriffMJ]

Originally Posted by Cribyn

Actually chaps, Picton Castle is in Pembrokeshire - http://www.pictoncastle.co.uk/

On the A40 before Haverfordwest, just after Narbeth.

Not sure about the old Welsh county boundaries..... they have moved around over the years?

[GriffMJ]

Pembroke Yeomanry Cavalry were originally formed in 1794, by "Lord Milford"...... of Picton Castle, Richard Philipps, 1st Baron Milford (1744 – 28 November 1823).

So.... this being the case he was Colonel and therefore his "badge" (family crest) would have been worn .... as was the custom.
Known as Sir Richard Philipps, Bt, from 1764 to 1776, was a Welsh landowner and Tory politician..... He d. 28 Nov. 1823 without issue and the estate devolved on his cousin RICHARD BULKELEY PHILLIPPS GRANT ( 1801 - 1857 ) who assumed the surname Philipps and was created baron Milford of Picton castle in 1847.

So, if this was an arm badge (and not a Household Livery badge for Picton Castle) for the Pembrokeshire Yeomanry Cavalry..... then it must have been worn between 1794-1823.

>>> It does not appear to be that old? The style of heraldic lion is modern....... not 1800s. <<<

[GriffMJ]

Baron Milford (Picton Castle)


There are also later arms for 1st & 2nd Viscounts of St Davids.

[41st]

Noswaith dda Griff,
I have never come across the Carmarthenshire YC in all the research I've carried out to date, including the records at Tenby, Haverfordwest & Brecon. CYC relates to Castlemartin Yeomanry Cavalry and I think you have picked up on a wrongly attributed copy photo. I too remember the Bosely auction and have the catalogue somewhere but have never seen a photo or reference to the badge being worn and like you think it looks rather modern in appearance.
I've also been game shooting at Picton Castle a few times and have not seen any photos of it in use there.
One that needs further research imo.
Hwl,
Kevin
Btw Picton Castle is in Pembrokeshire, not Carms.

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Carmartheshire Yeomanry Cavalry (CYC). Picton Castle is in Carmarthenshire. Is a contender for the use of this badge... but maybe not.

[GriffMJ]

blwyddyn Newydd Dda Kevin

Arm badge :-The badge does not look 1800s..... and the heraldic style back then was also very distinct. The back of the badge and the loops look modern also.

The CYC stuff is from Bob Smiths old research? It did exist.... here is a bit of proof ...1794-1827? Absorbed into the PY ...... C Sqn was Carmarthen?

Carmarthenshire Yeomanry Cavalry, obverse: regimental banner with motto, reverse: ‘Raised 1794 Disbanded 1827’, inside regimental title and laurel wreath, 40mm

[GriffMJ]

Here is the medallion version that was sold on DNW:-

Carmarthenshire Yeomanry Cavalry, regimental medal, in silver, 40mm, fitted with loop suspension; medal with three scratches in obverse field, about good fine, £40-60.

[41st]

Hi Griff,

I think someone has been mixing up their unit history. Pembs Yeo were raised 1794 and the Dungleddy Troop were disbanded in 1827, just like a lot of other Yeomanry units. C Troop was Haverfordwest.

It is of course possible that there was a small Carms Yeo unit in existence for a similar period as there many of these small units at this time about which very little has been recorded but CYC does refer to Castlemartin aka Pembs.

Crybin (Roger) may have a button with any luck.

Hwyl,

Kevin

[GriffMJ]

Kevin

So what do the medallions represent?

The Carmarthenshire Yeomanry Cavalry lasted for as long as the Rutland Yeomanry Cavalry here in Leicestershire..... and they were absorbed into the PAOLYC.... becoming part of A squadron.

"Dros ein brenhin a'm gwlad"

Five independent troops were raised in West Wales; the Castlemartin Yeomanry Cavalry, Carmarthen Yeomanry Cavalry, Pembroke Yeomanry Cavalry, Narberth Yeomanry Cavalry and Haverfordwest Yeomanry Cavalry.

[GriffMJ]

1990 - 1995, Vols. 41 - 45, Issues 161 - The Military Historical Society
COLOURS AND GUIDONS
Carmarthenshire Yeomanry 1804-06 44.181*, 186*


Also: "The Welshman" published in 1905 (see pic)

[GriffMJ]

Also:-

London Gazette, Dated July 1824, page 1194 (July 19th 1824).

[GriffMJ]

Col. Meyrick's history:-
Provided for good measure Appendices on the Haverfordwest (Dungleddy) Yeomanry Light Cavalry, the Independent Pembrokeshire Yeomanry Cavalry and the Carmarthenshire Yeomanry Cavalry, all raised in response to the threat of French invasion in 1794 but all disbanded by 1828 and not reformed. The Castlemartin troop, however, refused to be disbanded in 1827 and served without pay until 1831 when pay was restored, and so preserved the continuity of the regiment from 1794 to the present day.

[Cribyn]

Not the best photo (it is as black as pitch here at the moment, usual lovely Welsh weather!) but this is the button used by the Pembroke Yeomanry. They continued to use the initials 'CYC' - for Castlemartin Yeomanry Cavalry and according to Howard Ripley's book the 1905 Dress regulations still specified this design for officers of the Pembroke Imperial Yeomanry.

There was a Carmarthenshire Yeomanry but it was disbanded in 1828 and never re-raised as far as I am aware.

[GriffMJ]

As I understand it ... in 1831 the Pembrokeshire Yeomanry was re-raised incorporating the still existing Castlemartin Troop.

This is a subject worthy of study me thinks

This is the Bugler's Coatee (yellow with blue facings) and white britches from the Carmarthenshire Yeomanry Cavalry..... the buttons have the POWFs and C Y C underneath them.

* Trumpeter's uniform of Lord Dynevor's Troop of Yeomanry Cavalry - held at the Carmarthenshire County Museum.

[GriffMJ]

The Pembrokeshire historian - No. 2 1966 The Pembroke yeomanry Page 76
"The Dungleddy Yeomanry added the Picton Troop in 1819. Both Troops were called out in May, 1820, for two days to suppress riots in Haverfordwest, and in 1821 the Picton Troop escorted King George IV through Pembrokeshire."
http://welshjournals.llgc.org.uk/bro...041837/getText


So it might be that the arm badge was made for this escort to the King..... in 1821. This makes sense!?