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2 SOUTH AFRICAN BADGES - OPINION REQUIRED
Please can I have an opinion on these 2. The Prince Alfred's Guard may have had a repair to a lug. The Wittersand Rifles has a FERMIN maker. Is this repro?
I would be grateful for an indication of price as I do not collect SA badges and want to sell them on. |
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The PAG looks ok, but the WR I would say is a copy. First I have seen with a slider and I thought FIRMIN was spelt with an I and not an E (FERMIN)
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Steven
Thanks. Is it possible to date the PAG badge? Alan |
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Alan,
Depending on size, owen has it as a helmet badge(75mm) 1897 - 1939 and as a cap badge(45mm) 1922 - 1963. Steven |
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It is the smaller.
Thanks Alan |
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Alan
Found this: http://www.epicos.com/EPCompanyProfi....aspx?id=23388 Not sure when the Fermin group took over Gaunt however interesting. Never seen one of these Wits Rifles badges before, looks well made however. Brian |
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Brian,
The British firn is FIRMIN with an I. The badge has FERMIN which is a mark not seen before. Alan |
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Hi Alan
PAG badge I would consider paying about GBP8-10, and the other I am sure is a fake. Cheers, Alex |
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I know that the British firm is Firmin but what I was pointing out with my post, is that there is such a company/group as Fermin associated with badge manufacturing. Brian |
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Guys
The age old "fake or not" question once again rises it's ugly head. From the replies so far this appears to be a "one off"....now why would someone spend a huge amount of money producing just one badge? To make or at least recoup his money, the faker would have to make at least a few hundred. If this is the case, where are they? We all know there is a small market in Colonial badges, therefore why fake these? The badge shown appears to be well made, I am not saying it is correct BUT it certainly does not look new. Comments most welcome. Brian |
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Hi Brian
Good question, but the big thing with this is the 'FERMIN' mark, which to me makes it very dodgy. I have heard that in WWII there were some badges made for SA servicemen in the UK and sometimes they made the wrong badges, so if it was a recognised mark, I'd consider that it may have been made under these circumstances. Cheers, Alex |
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Hi Brian,
This Fermin and Firmin thing has plagued me for a while, so I did a bit of investigation. In the writeup on the link you provided I find reference to a 'fermin group'. Serching google with this I find a Fashion house called 'Fermin Group' in Hong Kong and an engineering firm in Switzerland. I dont see any connection to Gaunt in any of these. So I went back to the link provided and see there is a link form here to "Firmin" website, so it is my opinion the the fermin mentioned in the supplied link may be a typing error done by epicos.com. The firmin link on the epicos page actually takes you to FIRMINS website. Address: 11 Brearley Street Aston Birmingham B19 3HF Great Britain Phone No: +44 (0)121 380 0800 Fax No: +44(0)121 359 3321 e-mail: military@firmin.co.uk Website: http://www.firmin.co.uk So based on these findings I believe the FERMIN slider to be suspect. Steven |
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