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Old 29-04-21, 05:33 PM
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Dear members ,

Just bought this Rising sun cap badge and would like to get some opinions .

Looks like a WW1 with the slider but I can t understand what is this kind of soldering , just on the Right hand side ?! May be a kind of missing pin welded for a display ...or a later model "arranged" into a WW1 ?? A fake ???
No maker .
I bought it for a WW1 but ....

Thank you for your comments .
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Old 29-04-21, 08:38 PM
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Old 29-04-21, 09:37 PM
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Dear members ,

Just bought this Rising sun cap badge and would like to get some opinions .

Looks like a WW1 with the slider but I can t understand what is this kind of soldering , just on the Right hand side ?! May be a kind of missing pin welded for a display ...or a later model "arranged" into a WW1 ?? A fake ???
No maker .
I bought it for a WW1 but ....

Thank you for your comments .
Henry
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Looks like a good WW1 badge , have no idea about the right side ?
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Old 01-05-21, 12:12 PM
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A nice WW1 cap badge 100% , will check my badges later I might have the matching type
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Old 01-05-21, 01:55 PM
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A nice WW1 cap badge 100% , will check my badges later I might have the matching type

Hi Tweed

The Rising Sun badge is a slouch HAT badge, these are too big to wear on a cap. The collar badge is always worn on the cap and on the ladies small sized "Slouch Hat", this is of a different pattern to the men's Slouch Hat.

Only the English made Tiptaft Rising Suns are maker marked, I have about half a dozen slidered English made Rising Suns and they all have the same shaped voids at the end of the name scrolls and I believe that they are all by the same unknown English maker. Australia does not make any badges that I know of on sliders , all old badges have 2 or 3 lugs and we now use the bloody awful sharp pins.

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Old 01-05-21, 02:13 PM
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Hi Tweed

The Rising Sun badge is a slouch HAT badge, these are too big to wear on a cap. The collar badge is always worn on the cap and on the ladies small sized "Slouch Hat", this is of a different pattern to the men's Slouch Hat.

Only the English made Tiptaft Rising Suns are maker marked, I have about half a dozen slidered English made Rising Suns and they all have the same shaped voids at the end of the name scrolls and I believe that they are all by the same unknown English maker. Australia does not make any badges that I know of on sliders , all old badges have 2 or 3 lugs and we now use the bloody awful sharp pins.

Hope that this helps.

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Ofcourse hahah
I shall ban myself from using the term cap badge in future and use the correct term of slouch hat badge
Tweed just got kiboshed hahah
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Old 01-05-21, 10:52 PM
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I shall ban myself from using the term cap badge in future and use the correct term of slouch hat badge
Tweed just got kiboshed hahah
I believe a small Rising Sun badge (collar badge) was worn on peak caps in WW1 (early war).

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Because of the Construction of the Quilted Cor Blimey caps..These having no Internal Leather Liner
Only the Large Rising Sun Hat badge with SLIDER was used
Without the protection of the Leather Liner
Lugged badges would protude inside the Cap and Rub against the Forehead
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Old 02-05-21, 03:18 PM
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I believe a small Rising Sun badge (collar badge) was worn on peak caps in WW1 (early war).

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Great information Mick,
This is truely a massive subject ! And now I will look at my collars because they could have been used on the caps
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Old 02-05-21, 03:28 PM
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Because of the Construction of the Quilted Cor Blimey caps..These having no Internal Leather Liner
Only the Large Rising Sun Hat badge with SLIDER was used
Without the protection of the Leather Liner
Lugged badges would protude inside the Cap and Rub against the Forehead
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Makes sense
Great name for a cap the Cor blimey )))
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Old 02-05-21, 04:12 PM
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Dear members ,

Just bought this Rising sun cap badge and would like to get some opinions .

Looks like a WW1 with the slider but I can t understand what is this kind of soldering , just on the Right hand side ?! May be a kind of missing pin welded for a display ...or a later model "arranged" into a WW1 ?? A fake ???
No maker .
I bought it for a WW1 but ....

Thank you for your comments .
Henry
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I have two,examples of the non voided crown slouch hat badge that match your minus extra soldering,
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Old 03-05-21, 04:23 PM
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Is it possible that some Tiptaft badges were produced with the slider unmarked, as the badge at the start of this thread appears to be made from the same die as a slider marked Tiftaft in my opinion?
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Old 03-05-21, 05:00 PM
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I have three of these example with voided crown and I would be interesting to get to the bottom of possible maker
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Old 04-05-21, 04:51 AM
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There were a few different UK rising sun badge makers in WW1, but only a few were clearly maker marked. I have a clearly marked Firmin rising sun hat and collar badge and have seen an extensive list of makers somewhere from both world wars, including British, but it would take a week of research to find it. Maybe it is available on line somewhere.
The WW1 oxodised Gaunt badge can be indentified (although unmarked) because it is clearly the same leftover die that Gaunt originally produced in 1904 for the first ever ACMF badges, made in gilt, stg silver, bronze, and silver/gilt/enamel. There is a gilt badge illustrated on the Forum somewhere
on my Gaunt sample card from around 1908.
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