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Old 29-04-20, 06:18 AM
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The thing I find strange about Woodward sliders and the cyclist's both marked and unmarked is that although they are exactly the same badge they don't have a vavle on the wheel even though it was put on the badge but they are there on the fakes.
Thank you. I have always wondered what that little stub on the wheel was for but was too embarrassed to ask! Now I know!!!
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Old 29-04-20, 06:35 AM
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They must have pneumatic tyres down there, surely Alex?


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Thank you. I have always wondered what that little stub on the wheel was for but was too embarrassed to ask! Now I know!!!
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Old 30-04-20, 07:28 AM
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I think so...local jargon for checking tyre pressure is "Put some sky in my rounds..."
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Old 30-04-20, 02:26 PM
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I think so...local jargon for checking tyre pressure is "Put some sky in my rounds..."
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Back to sliders! Here are a few sliders all on Pattern 4362A/1896 and most of these antedate 1915.


I'd appreciate any comments


Badge <51> Die 3. Badge <31>Die 16


Badge <41> Die 13 scarce. Badge <61> Die 16


Badge <36> (unique slider out of 60 P1896 badges) Die 12 - an odd group but most likely after 1915


there are quite a few parallel sliders with rounded ends most 5mm width
fewer the same with 4mm with
most of the tapered ones are 6mm tapering to 5mm.


sorry reversed order; first (left) is <36>, then <41> and <61>, then <51> and <31>
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Old 07-05-20, 07:10 PM
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Another couple of contenders for the fake Woodward slider category.

Slider 'A' is from a 6th Dragoon Guards (Carabiniers) badge
Slider 'B' is from a Hertfordshire Regiment badge'.

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Old 05-05-22, 06:18 AM
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Back to sliders! Here are a few sliders all on Pattern 4362A/1896 and most of these antedate 1915.


I'd appreciate any comments


Badge <51> Die 3. Badge <31>Die 16


Badge <41> Die 13 scarce. Badge <61> Die 16


Badge <36> (unique slider out of 60 P1896 badges) Die 12 - an odd group but most likely after 1915


there are quite a few parallel sliders with rounded ends most 5mm width
fewer the same with 4mm with
most of the tapered ones are 6mm tapering to 5mm.


sorry reversed order; first (left) is <36>, then <41> and <61>, then <51> and <31>
Julian,

Have you managed to ID the manufacturers of any of the badges you posted here?

JT
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Old 05-05-22, 08:40 AM
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Could the Mods maybe make this a 'Sticky' thread so it is easy to find for reference purposes when people are trying to ID good or bad sliders?
Thanks, cheers,
Alex
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Old 30-05-22, 08:02 PM
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Thanks for getting this going Jelly - brilliant.
What period were Woodward making badges - and sliders!


(I'll go through my anonymous Patt 4362A/1896 KLR OR badges)
Two pieces of documentary evidence to that illustrate F. E. Woodward was active pre-WW1, one of which confirms it was manufacturing military ornaments:

1) This apology printed in no less than seven 1911-editions of Wright & Round's 'Brass Band News':

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2) this entry from the 1918 Directory of Manufacturers in Engineering and Allied Trades (courtesy of Grace's Guide):

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Old 30-05-22, 10:16 PM
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Thanks JT.

Amazing to think that 5 blokes and 30 women (or thereabouts) churned out all those cap badges in WW1. Somewhere I bet a list of employees exists and wouldn’t it be amazing to know the names of those who made what’s sat in our collections.
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Old 30-05-22, 10:22 PM
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Thanks JT.

Amazing to think that 5 blokes and 30 women (or thereabouts) churned out all those cap badges in WW1. Somewhere I bet a list of employees exists and wouldn’t it be amazing to know the names of those who made what’s sat in our collections.
It would indeed.

Any archive connected with this firm would be real find - there seems to be virtually nothing.

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Hi JT

Your level of detail does you great credit! I'm not a military badge collector, per se although I have picked them up with other material. I'm going to post photos of badges that I will be moving on in the near future but ONLY if they pass the opinion of the "brains trust"!

Might be something there for one of our members....

Most impressive work again! Well done!
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Old 31-05-22, 09:00 AM
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JT asked about makers of four badges [post 22]


<3051> Die 3 almost certainly Firmin
<3041> Die 13 anonymous ante 1915/16
<3036> Die 12 odd, anonymous ante 1915/16
<3061> Die 16 anonymous, crude, probably post 1915/16


I've defined 21 different dies but associating the makers is difficult. 'in progress'


Yes, I did look at sliders but didn't get very far - I'll look again
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Old 31-05-22, 09:09 AM
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Hi JT

Your level of detail does you great credit! I'm not a military badge collector, per se although I have picked them up with other material. I'm going to post photos of badges that I will be moving on in the near future but ONLY if they pass the opinion of the "brains trust"!

Might be something there for one of our members....

Most impressive work again! Well done!
Nice one, DD; thanks for your encouraging comments.

I look forward to seeing any gems you might be passing on.

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Old 31-05-22, 09:43 AM
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JT asked about makers of four badges [post 22]


<3051> Die 3 almost certainly Firmin
<3041> Die 13 anonymous ante 1915/16
<3036> Die 12 odd, anonymous ante 1915/16
<3061> Die 16 anonymous, crude, probably post 1915/16


I've defined 21 different dies but associating the makers is difficult. 'in progress'


Yes, I did look at sliders but didn't get very far - I'll look again
Thanks Julian.

That, I find, is one of the frustrating aspects of cataloguing my QRWS lambs; you become extremely familiar with all the dies, so much so that you can spot them a mile off, yet pinning a maker to many of them remains ever-elusive.

But with regard to sliders (as per the subject of this thread), are you able to identify the manufacturer of a given KLR badge on the basis of slider characteristics alone… are manufacturers’ sliders consistent in this sense?

Some sliders are clearly by particular makers (the Woodward slider being a prime example). Can this, in your experience, be said of others when it comes to KLR badges? And as an aside, I’m yet to see a Woodward-made KLR cap badge.

Luke H, posted a Lambourne RIF badge recently, with an interesting and highly-identifiable slider:

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...94&postcount=6

Wondering if it might be useful if that particular Lambourne thread were to be merged with this?

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JT

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