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Old 20-02-14, 07:52 AM
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Seller states "Dark from age" really?

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The parade of repro Cdn Para Corps badges continues. This one is just SO BAD, it is unbelieveable that someone would bid on it.
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Old 20-02-14, 07:59 AM
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The parade of repro Cdn Para Corps badges continues. This one is just SO BAD, it is unbelieveable that someone would bid on it.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-WW2-THE...item461af4a0e2
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Old 20-02-14, 08:56 AM
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I buy all of what I collect off the net or privately, but then again I still only see photos. I don't attend shows which are limited here anyway. If there were shows like they had over east I'd probably go to them.
I've collected this way for years, am totally comfortable with it and have never been conned on any Rhodesian para wings, PJI brevets etc.
Research is the key I think. There are some people who dump on the internet but there is lots of good info out there if you look for it. Not everyone can afford references and there simply aren't references for everything. I like and collect books but they tend not to be as up to date as the info I can find on the net...
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Old 20-02-14, 09:12 AM
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Research is the key I think. There are some people who dump on the internet but there is lots of good info out there if you look for it. Not everyone can afford references and there simply aren't references for everything. I like and collect books but they tend not to be as up to date as the info I can find on the net...
I agree. In my area of interest there is not one reference book that shows or lists every Rhodesian para wing let alone every Rhodesian AD wing. A lot of rubbish on the net but also some good info. Just have to know what you're looking for.
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Old 20-02-14, 11:02 AM
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Back to this whole fake, copy, or reproduction selling...

The point of re-enactors was brought up. I understand that market but my point is these badges are not being sold as reproductions. They are being sold as originals or at the very least, the word reproduction is not being used in the description. This is where I have a problem.

I know my badge is original and yes I pretty much stole it at a US gunshow many moons ago. I paid the princely sum of $2.50 USD for it. It was in a junk box so to speak, along with many other Canadian Badges.
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Old 20-02-14, 11:42 AM
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There will always be people who make and sell fakes while money can be made.

I don't agree with some people who say that putting any descriptions or points on why an item is genuine into the public arena helps the person making the fakes. Andrew Butler had quite a good collection of Rhodesian militaria at one stage and look at his fakes — absolute rubbish!

I had a website up for 8 years showing close up detailed photos (obverse and reverse) and descriptions of most of the insignia and para wings that are faked. In that time and till now I still haven't seen any that closely resemble the original items.
Maybe Brit badges and para wings are different.
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Old 20-02-14, 12:29 PM
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In that time and till now I still haven't seen any that closely resemble the original items.
Maybe Brit badges and para wings are different.
Someone stated once that maybe there are already perfect fakes out there and nobody has recognized them.... it is possible....
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Old 20-02-14, 12:32 PM
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Sure it is possible. Not in what I collect though.
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Old 20-02-14, 01:17 PM
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When I taught law, one of my favorite debates was: "What is the perfect crime?" The answer: the one that no one knew had been committed.
Fraud chasing the money is all to common in our hobby. With badges increasing in prices it is essential to keep up with the crap. Identify it, even if it is a horrible copy. On a FB trading page, someone was flogging a Nazi embroidered breast eagle. He was adamant it was original. Merrowed edge and all.
Education in the hobby must be ongoing. New collectors enter the hobby all the time, and a collector, say in his forties, who is starting to get serious now, may not have any knowledge of the Bondy repros, the Drac fakes, or the earlier repro badges. (From a Canadian perspective. Other nations have their fakers, and there are the vast numbers of badges coming out of Pakistan and other far eastern sources that copy any country's badges.)
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Old 23-02-14, 04:40 PM
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Back to this whole fake, copy, or reproduction selling...

The point of re-enactors was brought up. I understand that market but my point is these badges are not being sold as reproductions. They are being sold as originals or at the very least, the word reproduction is not being used in the description. This is where I have a problem.
My point was that if they are being bought as reproductions, no harm has been done. There is an onus on the buyer to know what he is buying.

I would go further and say that Ebay isn't a militaria dealer, it is a rummage sale. If anyone wants to buy militaria at a rummage sale, I think they need to take their chances along with everyone else regarding authenticity. Chalk that up to the rules of the rummage sale. Anyone wanting guarantees is free to go to an established militaria vendor with a real name, a physical mailing address, and an established reputation.

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I know my badge is original and yes I pretty much stole it at a US gunshow many moons ago. I paid the princely sum of $2.50 USD for it. It was in a junk box so to speak, along with many other Canadian Badges.
I see you are in favour of rummage sales. It's tough to have it both ways.
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