Uniform with badges of LTC James A Turner Royal Scots KIA 26 July 1918

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grenadierguardsman

Thanks.
Andy

Andy the badge in the OPs photos is the more squared off, diamond shaped Royal Scots badge that replaced the design virtually identical to the Scots Guards pattern, seen in the IWM photo posted for comparison with the Scots Guards. There had been representations about the similarities in design, but in fairness the Royal Scots had long used the star of the Order of the thistle as their principal insignia and they had existed since well before the 3rd (Scots) Foot Guards.

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Andy the badge in the OPs photos is the more squared off, diamond shaped Royal Scots badge that replaced the design virtually identical to the Scots Guards pattern, seen in the IWM photo posted for comparison with the Scots Guards. There had been representations about the similarities in design, but in fairness the Royal Scots had used the star of the Order of the thistle as their principal insignia and they had existed since long before the 3rd (Scots) Foot Guards.

Yes Toby, i thought so.
Andy

[Alex Rice]

Originally Posted by Hoot

Fair comment but wny not Squeak and Wilfred as well?. Seems odd either way. Realistically and for the sake of authenticity it should be just the DSO and MC ribbons.

True!

[MH331]

I agree Paul. Given that Jeff states it came via Manion's and therefore (possibly) another collector I suspect the ribbons may have been added as a 'collector upgrade'. Nonetheless a superb attributable jacket.

Originally Posted by oc14

I'm not entirely convinced that the medal ribbons have always been on that tunic. The red white and blue 1914 or 1914/15 star ribbon doesn't look like the original watered silk style of ribbon. Happy to be proven wrong

PL

[Frank Kelley]

I think the "upgrade" is actually the reverse and I would certainly remove it.
There is little worse than polyester star ribband.

Originally Posted by MH331

I agree Paul. Given that Jeff states it came via Manion's and therefore (possibly) another collector I suspect the ribbons may have been added as a 'collector upgrade'. Nonetheless a superb attributable jacket.

[Alan O]

http://www.theroyalscots.co.uk/badges-and-tartan/

Here you go. The regt say identical to the SG.

[Jeffweil]

Thanks Alan. This clears up the question. Post 1931 the officer badge becomes more squared off for Royal Scots. Really helpful. Thanks

[Jeffweil]

Mystery solved. Found a pic of LTC Fuller wearing my uniform. He is wearing enlisted Royal Scots - not officer collar insignia.
Don't know why - but they are obviously enlisted collar insignia in the original pic.
Looks like he is a Major in this pic and only wearing the Military Cross ribbon, as MSO was awarded later
Fuller was killed in summer 1918.
This original pic is from the 1925 Royal Scots Regimental history.

[Jeffweil]

Thanks to all my fellow collectors for information.

[leigh kitchen]

Originally Posted by Jeffweil

Mystery solved. Found a pic of LTC Fuller wearing my uniform. He is wearing enlisted Royal Scots - not officer collar insignia.
Don't know why - but they are obviously enlisted collar insignia in the original pic.
Looks like he is a Major in this pic and only wearing the Military Cross ribbon, as MSO was awarded later
Fuller was killed in summer 1918.
This original pic is from the 1925 Royal Scots Regimental history.

I'm viewing on a phone, so not the best way to determine detail in a photograph, but is the collar badge actually a thistle "spray" and not a "star"?

[Jeffweil]

Yes - in original pic - clearly the thistle - not the star

[leigh kitchen]

Thanks.

[Hoot]

Originally Posted by Jeffweil

Mystery solved. Found a pic of LTC Fuller wearing my uniform. He is wearing enlisted Royal Scots - not officer collar insignia.
Don't know why - but they are obviously enlisted collar insignia in the original pic.
Looks like he is a Major in this pic and only wearing the Military Cross ribbon, as MSO was awarded later
Fuller was killed in summer 1918.
This original pic is from the 1925 Royal Scots Regimental history.

The medal ribbon is that of the DSO, not the MC. The collar badges in the photo of Lt.Col. Fuller look like the normal OSD collars to me, try comparing them to those worn by Lt.Col. Dyson in post 12. Besides which, they don't look wide enough to be other ranks collar badges.

[Jeffweil]

Thanks Hoot. If I could get a better pic to post it would be helpful to resolve this issue.