Group of medals long service 1914- 1945

[mac mcconnell]

Need some direction on these please . Lady in the village asked me if I could get a price on these she would like them to stay together and go to a collection . This is not my area of interest I have no idea but they are an original group belonging to J.9533 F.H.HOPKINS C.P.O HMS VANGUARD.
tHERETheres also a comremative medal for Jutland

[mac mcconnell]

don't know whats going on but my computer wont allow spell check and coerrections. Its gone War Whackey

Mac

[Peter Brydon]

Mac,

An interesting group, if you get hold an up to date edition of The Medal Year Book that would provide some guidance.

Whoever mounted the medals didn't know about the correct way they should be worn.

Peter

[Unknownsoldier]

Looks like the 14-15 star is erased.....

[davidwyke]

Hi Chaps

I agree with the above comments.

They are certainly out of order, to say the least. The correct order of wearing is:

1914-15 Star (looks like a replacement, assuming he was entitled to one in the first place)
British War Medal (WW1)
Victory Medal
1939-45 Star
Atlantic Star
Defence Medal
War Medal (WW2)
l935 Jubilee Medal
RN LS&GC Medal

If that's how he actually wore them then maybe they are best left alone but it's a bizarre order of wearing!

Medal Yearbook will give you a rough idea as to individual values but they don't necessarily accurately reflect the value of the group as a whole.

I would strongly advise that the group are KEPT TOGETHER, it's definitely not a good idea to split up medal groups and sell the medals individually - that's a major sin in the medal world (and rightly so).

David

PS..... forgot to mention - the missing original 14-15 Star will obviously detract from the value of the group. On the other hand, his service record may add to the value. It's worth doing some research.....

[Alex Rice]

Hi Mac
David is quite right and unfortunately the 14/15 star will reduce the value. Also, it would then be prudent to check that the other WWI medals are at least properly named.
One thing to definitely confirm is the Jutland connection. Some ships are more sought after than others so you never know if you're sitting on a gem. If you contact the London Medal Company I'm sure they would give you a basic valuation. Other than the possibility of a rare Jutland ship I don't think they would fetch more than GBP250-300.
Please let us know if they are sold as some of us may be interested.
Good luck.
Cheers,
Alex

[Sunray9]

Originally Posted by mac mcconnell

Need some direction on these please . Lady in the village asked me if I could get a price on these she would like them to stay together and go to a collection . This is not my area of interest I have no idea but they are an original group belonging to J.9533 F.H.HOPKINS C.P.O HMS VANGUARD.
tHERETheres also a comremative medal for Jutland

J.9533 Frederick Hayden HOPKINS, b. 22nd July 1894 at Bristol ... so, WW1 service probably confirmed. As has been said mounting all over the place but an impressive group.

Ritchie

[mac mcconnell]

Gentlemen thanks for all the advice I will try to dig out some more info I do know that the ladys sister has a silk with service info on it I don't know how long it will take as shes in America. But I will contact the London Medal company. Again many thanks.
I have no reason to doubt these they have been in the Ladies family a very long time.

Best Mac

[bobbluesboy]

9/12/13 - 16/5/1917 HMS New Zealand.

HMS New Zealand.
A gift from New Zealand.
1st Battlecruiser Squadron Grand Fleet.
19 August transferred to 2nd Battlecruiser Squadron.
28 August 1914 at the Battle of Heligoland Bight.
1 September 1914 rejoined 1st Battlecruiser Squadron.
15 January 1915 became flagship of 2nd Battlecruiser Squadron.
24 January 1915 saw action in the Battle of Dogger Bank.
22 April 1916 collided with HMAS Australia
30 May 1916 returned from repairs.
31 May 1916 engaged in Battle of Jutland. Fired 420 12 inch shells (the most of any ship in the battle) and received 1 11inch hit.
November 1916 refit at Rosyth.

HMS Devonshire 6/9/1917 - 21/5/1919

HMS Devonshire
December 1916 West Indies and North America Station.
1920 Sold for scrap.

Leading Seaman 5/1/1919 Petty Officer 1/2/1920.
Trade Seaman Gunlayer.

Enlisted 1910.Trade on enlistment French Polisher.

[mac mcconnell]

Is this Hopkins service record for WWI ?

Best Mac

[Alex Rice]

That record should definitely increase the attraction for the medals -good ship!

[bobbluesboy]

Hi Mac.This is his WW1 Service in the RN.Served WW2,these records are available to download online.Also he was a trained Diver in his earlier career,this would have been the equivalent of a Ships Diver today,not a full time Diver but trained to dive in the ships he was in.Nice group,is the 14/15 Star erased or just unamed.
He was issued with a 14/15 Star Trio (Star,BWM and Victory medals) for service during WW1,the medals were sent to him at HMS Vivid in Plymouth,known in the Navy as " Jago,s Mansions " and were the Naval Barracks.His LSGC medal was presented to him on 17/5/1933.On the roll it is shown he was serving at HMS Vivid.
His early service in WW2 when he was recalled looks to have been at HMS Daedalus,the Fleet Air Arm Airfield at Lee-on-Solent.If you pay for his early WW2 service sheet on The National Archives in ADM 363 it will be clear.I had a look at it with the pages partially scrambled but it looks like HMS Daedalus.
Hope the above helps Bob.

[bobbluesboy]

http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...hayden+hopkins

All the best Bob.

[mac mcconnell]

Sorry for late and quick reply just heading out the door the picture I put up is poor the star is clearly named J 9533 F.H.HOPKINS A.B . R.N. a Quick look at the medals show they have been glued home repair I think. These have never been outside the family so I have no reason to doubt them. The Lady wants to sell them to a good home theres nothing in it for me just helping out . The History is fantastic so far many thanks one and all PM me if interested

Best Mac

[mac mcconnell]

Took the advice Bob


He re enlisted 24.10.1939 and released 13.8.1945 difficult to read have sent to away to print and enlarge as you say HMS Daedalus and then released at HMS Raleigh 13.8.45. gave a huge part of his life to his country

Mac