Can anyone ID this shako ?

[tomos]

Hi guys I`m a new member & I would like to know if anyone here can ID this what we think is a Shako. Its got GR with three ones on it ,so were assuming its George the 3rd and a bugle which has the mouth piece on the left . Apparently most bugles have the mouthpiece to the right so that`s a mystery to us. there is a number 3 above the bugle. and thats it. So far All steps taken to ID this have drawn a blank. Does anyone have a positive ID on this or know some one who could ID it please ? pictures of front below, to show you it. PS. it was found in Blairgowrie up in Scotland recently.

[Bill A]

Hello tomos, welcome to the Forum. Your account is active and open for posts.

[Milmed]

Looks like a cross belt badge missing the top 'plug'

[tomos]

Could be one is missing but we are desperately trying to Identify the regiment, be it light infantry ,rifles and what the number 3 signifies above the bugle . As I already said the bugle mouthpiece is pointing to the left where as most if not all light infantry units or rifles have the bugle mouthpiece pointing to the right . There is ribbon supporting the bugle ,but with wear its faint.Plus the bugle has a very lazy bend .
I`m wondering is there anyone who specialises in George 111 shako`s , regiments , badges here?

[Hoot]

It appears to be a belt plate of the Light Company, 3rd Regiment of Foot. Clearly pre-1820.

[tomos]

Originally Posted by Hoot

It appears to be a belt plate of the Light Company, 3rd Regiment of Foot. Clearly pre-1820.

Hi, the only reference I have seen to any (3rd) unit is ...


3rd (or The Buffs) Regiment of Foot 1751–1782
3rd (East Kent – The Buffs) Regiment of Foot 1782–1881

but I can not get any picture reference to show the G111R and 3 with a bugle below it anywhere on the net .

[Hoot]

That's correct.

[leigh kitchen]

It's not in "Shoulder-Belt Plates and Buttons" by Major H. G. Parkyn either, but I'd go with Light Company 3rd Foot too.
Maybe I'm taking a simplistic view, but to me it is what it kind've says on the can.

[Jeff Mc William]

Hi Tomos
A very nice excavated item, obviously early (as you say Geo III) but definitely not a shako plate. As others have already said, it is a Shoulder belt plate tho' not necessarily 3rd Foot … it could well be a Militia Regiment which would explain why it is not shown in "Parkyn". However, I cannot elaborate any further. Sorry.

[leigh kitchen]

I had wondered about King's German Legion? A bit of a stretch for a KGL unit shoulder belt plate to have been in Scotland?

[tomos]

yes it really is a head scratcher . Thanks for the input anyway guys its really appreciated.

[tomos]

Thank you for that Jeff ,It all adds up to build a picture .

[tomos]

Thanks for the input guys ,apparently its been id`d as ,Perthshire Brigade, 3rd Regt. (or Strathern) Highlanders'. A Fensible unit.

'Perthshire Regiment of Fencible Infantry' (1794-disbanded c1800), (fully paid soldiers with a liability to serve throughout the Mainland and Ireland), County Militia Regiments were formed for the first time in Scotlad in 1798, that for Perthshire was known as the '9th (or Perthshire) Regiment of North British Militi', (served with various periods of disembodiment through until 1881). Officers and men fully paid when embodied, the men chosen by ballot every year (until 1853), again liable for service throughout UK. The county also responded enthusiastically to the Government's call for Volunteers, both Yeomanry and Infantry. For the period 1795-1801 the following units are recorded, 'Royal Perth 1st Battalion', 'Royal Perth 2nd Battalion', 'Perthshire Brigade (1st or Stormont Battalion)', 'Perthshire Brigade (2nd or Caledonian Regiment)', 'Perthshire Brigade, 3rd Regt. (or Strathern) Highlanders', 'Perthshire Brigade, 4th Regt., (or Loyal Foresters)', 'Perthshire Brigade, 5th (or Athol) Battalion'. Most of these units were not of Battalion strength but nevertheless it was an astonishing response compared with many of the English counties.