Unknown Scottish badge

[Terra Nova]

Submitted for your consideration is a gilding metal/brass badge. It measures 73 mm (2 3/4 inches) high X 58 mm (2 1/4 inches) wide. It is quite robust in construction. The reverse has two wire loop retaining lugs.

While very similar to the Scots Guards badges, the Victorian Crown suggests another unit.

Any information on the identification, date and use of this insignia would be appreciated. Thank you.

with kindest regards to all,

Tim

[grenadierguardsman]

Scottish Prisons ?
Andy

[altcar73]

Its not Scottish Prison Service.

Dave.

[yorkstone]

Tim,
I to believe this to be Scottish Prisons Cap badge this style was worn until 1920 albeit with kings crown post 02. I was told about this badge only this week
I would be interested in this badge if it became available.
Regards
Stephen

[Terra Nova]

Thank you for the lead

[Terra Nova]

Originally Posted by yorkstone

Tim,
I to believe this to be Scottish Prisons Cap badge this style was worn until 1920 albeit with kings crown post 02. I was told about this badge only this week
I would be interested in this badge if it became available.
Regards
Stephen

Thank you, Stephen. Once we are quite firm on what this badge is (I am inclined to believe that you are correct) let's have a conversation via PM, shall we? I propose a couple of more days for input then to take it from there, if that suits.

with best wishes,

Tim

[Bantam]

Whilst I agree there are a lot of similarities with the prison pattern. The Victorian normal pattern differs from it.
Senior Scottish Warders badges followed the same pattern as Warders but other embellishments on headwear and uniform to distinguished them. I will try to post photo of the Victorian Prison badge and attempt further research,

[Bantam]

Here is a photo of both the recognised patterns of Scottish Prison badges Victorian and Edwardian the latter being worn into the 1920's.
I have been unable to find any evidence of the Victorian badge in question being worn.

[Phil2M]

Originally Posted by Bantam

Here is a photo of both the recognised patterns of Scottish Prison badges Victorian and Edwardian the latter being worn into the 1920's.
I have been unable to find any evidence of the Victorian badge in question being worn.

This has answered a decades long mystery for me, thank you. As a young lad I bought a badge on ebay, as Scots Guards, but it had the KC. I broke it by mistake (as a kid I didnt know not to try and cold bend the crown back into place). Grandad threw it away and I have wondered for years what that badge was.

[Terra Nova]

Originally Posted by Bantam

Here is a photo of both the recognised patterns of Scottish Prison badges Victorian and Edwardian the latter being worn into the 1920's.
I have been unable to find any evidence of the Victorian badge in question being worn.

Thank you, Bantam.

The photos of the QVC and KC versions of the Scottish Prisons badges are definitive. The one I am having trouble identifying is something quite different. The search continues!

with best wishes,

Tim

[Bantam]

Hi Tim and Phil,
Glad I have been a help to you both.
Your badge Tim is very nice and I only wish it was prison related and like Stephen I would be chasing after it too.
Good luck on your continuing search,
Bantam

[Terra Nova]

Originally Posted by Bantam

Hi Tim and Phil,
Glad I have been a help to you both.
Your badge Tim is very nice and I only wish it was prison related and like Stephen I would be chasing after it too.
Good luck on your continuing search,
Bantam

Hi Bantam,

We are fortunate, indeed, to have this community of knowledge upon which to draw. It is well to establish that despite much similarity, the badge in question is not Scottish Prisons. It only remains to determine precisely just what it actually is.

As that great sleuth, Sherlock Holmes, so insightfully put it:
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Many thanks for the inputs as we eliminate and isolate.

best to all,

Tim