Swan Neck Lincolnshire Regiment cap badge WW1

[mooke07]

Hi all,

Below is a "swan neck" variety Lincolnshire Regiment badge (K&K 600) on a long slider which I am reliably informed is a WW1 pattern badge. I am told that these were also worn by the VTC in all black and only the swan necked type are genuine and swapped to BM Sphinx badges in 1919. There are many variants of Lincolnshire regiment badges but this one certainly pertains to being worn in WW1. I posted it as many a thread from new members relates to the question as to how would you now if a badge worn over a large span like the Sphinx for the Lincolnshire Regiment 0f 1898-1946 was worn in WW1 or WW2 for that matter. An FN Birmingham or others makers mark helps but variants like this I suspect will become better regarded over time.

I am still looking for a photo of the swan neck badge in a photo from WW1 and that will validate further.

I have learnt much from a non-Forum member who has a rather amazing Lincolns collection and knowledge to go with it.

Regards Dean.

[dubaiguy]

Glad you have finally got one Dean. I'm now looking for a 'fat face' at a decent price.

Would be very interested to hear the provenance once you have proof that the swan neck is definitely Great War period.

I know you've see it before, but here is my little Lincolnshire grouping again which shows the difference of the swan necked sphinx to a regular sphinx.

Cheers
Mark

[mooke07]

Hi Mark,

Always happy to see a selection of Sphinx's. It shows the suitable and not so suitable differences between them very well.

Always more varieties to collect, I am after the Sphinx VB badges with SA scrolls below. Have seen them in another collectors collection. WM, lugged and not a smiling face to be seen.

All the best, Dean.

[PJT]

Dean,

It's interesting to learn that a blackened Lincolns badge existed.

Any chance of finding out whether this was just an unofficial painted Bi metal standard badge or was it factory blackened brass?

If the latter, I wonder if this might be the economy badge referred to by Gaylor in his unofficial list.

I'm of the opinion that it never existed in true economy form based on the fact that I've never seen one, nobody I know has seen one and the ex WW1 Lincolns I had the opportunity to speak to had never seen one either.

Of course if the Lincolns collector or indeed anybody on the forum has one it would be good to hear from them

Paul

[badjez]

"I am told that these were also worn by the VTC in all black and only the swan necked type are genuine and swapped to BM Sphinx badges in 1919."

Unless there is photographic evidence of this I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Prior to the VTC receiving War Office recognition (on 19.04.16.) the War Office were very adamant that the VTC would not wear any item of uniform or insignia pertinent to units of the Army. I cannot see any TF Association permitting their regimental cap badges to be worn by VTC units. Post 1916 the only authorised cap badge for the ex-VTC units were the universal Royal Arms.
All Volunteers were authorised for disbandment on 25.09.19.

Regarding the all brass badge, I've never seen one, but a brass badge did appear in an on-line auction in 2006. It is impossible to ascertain the authenticity of this badge. Pictures attached (downloaded from web- copywrite unknown). I've never found reference to an economy version in the Pimlico ledgers stored at Kew.

Crown Imperial issue 95 (Summer 1995) has a letter claiming that this badge, with slider, is the pre 1948 OSD collar badge. Again, no evidence was produced to support this assertion. Colin Churchill's book does not mention a collar badge with slider.

Stephen.

[Alan O]

The simple fact is there was no WO order of all brass Lincolnshire badges as shown in the National Archives.

As for the brass badge shown it would appear to be an Officers' collar 'pattern' but is clearly no collar with that badge. I wuld suspect that a collar die has been found and used to create a fantasy badge by adding a slider.