British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > Royal Navy and Royal Marines

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #181  
Old 05-01-15, 09:59 PM
NR72 NR72 is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 17
Default

picked this up the other day




Reply With Quote
  #182  
Old 02-06-16, 05:49 PM
Arnhemjim's Avatar
Arnhemjim Arnhemjim is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Arizona Territory
Posts: 299
Default Roual Naval Division Cap Badges, Collar Dogs and other Insignia

(Moderators; This reply may be a duplicate, if so apologies, and please delete.)
Have been reading, and rereading, this thread as it is updated with additional data. Consider myself extremely fortunate never to have collected, nor even contemplated collecting, militaria of the Royal Naval Division. However, as a retired naval intelligence officer, find the subject particularly the forensic analysis, to be fascinating.

Having identified Paddy early on in my membership in the forum, as both extremely knowledgeable and forthcoming with assistance on the subject, I have tried within my limited capabilities to integrate his expertise (and active cooperation) with associated subjects in my blog page. It seems to have been recognized and appreciated by virtue of the resulting very heavy reader traffic.

Just a momentary Segway to reinforce the comments davec2 has made earlier in this thread. Recently, after a lengthy search (about three decades) I found a spare magazine for the near mint Webley .455cal. Pistol, Self-Loading, Model 1912 Mk I, I had previously acquired (1982), in excellent condition. The seller knew exactly what he had, and the significant ”buy now” price reflected that fact. But to his credit the seller had included a complete set of close-up colored photography of the magazine, allowing me to make a detailed one-on-one comparison with the original gun’s magazine, an absolute identical match. The seller had an excellent feedback record on a reputable Internet auction site, with the only significant reservation being he was located in Warsaw, Poland. After much introspection, and knowing I could use PayPal plus a credit card if recourse was required, decided to make the purchase. In an added exercise in “due diligence”, conducted an Internet search on the seller’s name and web site. Buried in the hits, were the comments of one individual, citing the seller and his entire operation as a complete scam. Immediate gnawing in the stomach! Bottom line, magazine received in record time, exceeding all expectations, just as promised by the seller. Obviously one sullen, dissatisfied, and vindictive individual trying to sully and subvert the reputation of an honest dealer. Truly libelous, if you ask me. Needless to say, left glowing feedback on involved web sites, and personal message of thanks to the seller.

Back to the subject at hand. It is unfortunate that a comprehensive forensic template, i.e., litmus or better still DNA test can’t be practically and economically developed. Such a test, if achieving a quantifiable confidence level, would be a “God send”. Not likely to happen any time soon, so will personally continue (with specific thanks to Paddy) to update my very limited data base of verifying criteria, hopefully being of some small assistance in the process. The interested reader may want to glance at the recent addendum; http://arnhemjim.blogspot.com/2016/0...-addendum.html . Suffices to say this particular thread has added a great deal towards those objectives.

Arnhem Jim
Arizona Territory
Reply With Quote
  #183  
Old 17-06-16, 12:26 PM
Shiny's Avatar
Shiny Shiny is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: North Shields, Tyne and Wear
Posts: 1,016
Default

Hi All,

I've been offered this Drake Bn badge for £38, I think it's real going off Arnham Jim's website but I'd really value second opinions before I hand over my hard earned.

Is £38 a good / fair price for it? I'm not sure of the going rate for these.

Thanks,

Michael
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2016-06-17 13.15.53.jpg (60.5 KB, 74 views)
File Type: jpg 2016-06-17 13.16.44.jpg (53.1 KB, 88 views)
File Type: jpg 2016-06-17 13.17.35.jpg (34.7 KB, 58 views)
Reply With Quote
  #184  
Old 17-06-16, 12:40 PM
tonyb's Avatar
tonyb tonyb is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Huytonshire
Posts: 3,266
Default

Michael, I would snap it up before someone else does.
Tony.
__________________
For Christopher night night son.
Reply With Quote
  #185  
Old 17-06-16, 12:49 PM
Alan O's Avatar
Alan O Alan O is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,730
Default

A dealer's list price is at generally about £100-120.
Reply With Quote
  #186  
Old 17-06-16, 05:30 PM
MH331 MH331 is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2,181
Default

Bite his hand off!
Reply With Quote
  #187  
Old 17-06-16, 07:33 PM
Shiny's Avatar
Shiny Shiny is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: North Shields, Tyne and Wear
Posts: 1,016
Default

Thanks a lot everyone, I'll get right on to this.

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #188  
Old 07-09-16, 05:13 PM
Shiny's Avatar
Shiny Shiny is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: North Shields, Tyne and Wear
Posts: 1,016
Default

Hi All,

I got the Drake badge for £20 and another badge I used as a swap so I was really pleased about that.

I'm now looking for an opinion on this Hawke Bn badge that I won on ebay. Again, using Arnham Jim's website I'm pretty confident but would value some other opinions.

Thanks,

Michael
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 2016-09-07 18.05.56.jpg (89.5 KB, 48 views)
File Type: jpg 2016-09-07 18.04.40.jpg (83.6 KB, 44 views)
File Type: jpg 2016-09-07 18.03.49.jpg (65.0 KB, 34 views)
Reply With Quote
  #189  
Old 07-09-16, 06:09 PM
Alex Rice Alex Rice is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,736
Default

Hi Michael
Firstly, I am no expert and there are variations I believe, but I don't like the Hawke badge. The beak looks wrong, the top of the bird's head looks odd and there are flaws between the 2 srolls. Unless it is an OSD collar badge, the poor detail on the rear is not a good sign.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Hawkes head.jpg (72.9 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg Hawke scrolls.jpg (31.5 KB, 17 views)
File Type: jpg 055.jpg (66.3 KB, 27 views)
Reply With Quote
  #190  
Old 07-09-16, 06:27 PM
Paddy's Avatar
Paddy Paddy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Portsmouth Area
Posts: 1,057
Default

Michael

Like Alex I'm not a fan of your Hawke badge. The shape of the head and the beak are the first things that give it away for me then the font of the scrolls and the alignment of the letters on the scrolls. On what I consider to be genuine badges the E of Strike sits almost above the E of Hawke, on most copies the E of Strike sits either right in the middle of the gap between the K & E of Hawke or even partially over the K like yours. I believe the back is even worse, the Gaunt plate is the nice crisp modern type found on copies whereas the genuine ones are pretty poor quality stampings in comparison, the positioning of the plate is also wrong, it should be between the 2 lugs and not on the back of the bottom scroll. Lack of detail is also a bad sign. I have attached pics of what I consider to be a good one and pictures of a right facing officer's OSD collar so that you can see the differences.

Paddy
Reply With Quote
  #191  
Old 08-09-16, 07:32 AM
Shiny's Avatar
Shiny Shiny is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: North Shields, Tyne and Wear
Posts: 1,016
Default

Thanks for the replies everyone. I'm disappointed (obviously) but I suppose you live and learn.

The seller does offer a 14 day money back option so I'll have to have a think. I wanted it for a "family tree" type display I'm doing and while I'd rather have a real one it might still do for that.

Thanks again,

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #192  
Old 18-05-20, 10:37 AM
Alan O's Avatar
Alan O Alan O is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,730
Default

For the RND MG badge:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryofthewo...RXa8Tk5sMNL3AA

With provenance but with out the abbreviation dots in the title.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
drake, hood, howe, nelson, rnd, royal naval division

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 10:12 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.