Bronzed Norfolk Regiment OR's cap badge

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Sonofacqms

Having looked through this post again my conclusions are that it is an early version of the Norfolk Regt's badge having loops that was made in gilding metal as it did not need a g/m scroll added, also it was probably easier to add a bronze coating to ending with an even overall finish.

This was probably worn in South Africa as Hoot has mentioned.

Rob

I think without any conclusive evidence, I will tentatively labal it as "possibly" worn by the 2nd Battalion in South Africa and hope that something concrete turns up.

The one thing that slightly bemuses me is that there are not more of these bronzed badges around.

Originally Posted by norfolk regt man

Read once that the t6 cyclist blacked there cap and collar badges, I am sure it's in one of Neil story's books or maybe Neil's story books

Hi Andrew,

I don't recall reading this in "The Pride of Norfolk" by Neil R. Storey and have had quick read up with the same result. It is interesting to note, that all the pictures of the Cyclists that I have looked through, there isn't one image of them wearing blackened badges. If this was the case, then would they have been issued blackened or done locally?

I believe the one I have shown in the opening post was issued bronzed.

[Mike B]

Excuse a possible red herring but could it be Warrant Officer of some description as dressed in Officer Service Dress - I recall being told about this practice many, many, years ago but am vague and hope someone can remind me.

Another badge possibly of this category was APC [Army Pay Corps] in Bronze - A pattern I don't think should exist (not wanting to go off thread) The APC badge had a pin back from memory.

Mike

[Mike B]

Has anyone else heard of WOs wearing uniform as OSD?
I had heard this from an experienced collector many years ago and wonder if it is a contender for the Bze finished Norfolk OR pattern badge - any views appreciated.
Mike

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Mike B

Has anyone else heard of WOs wearing uniform as OSD?
I had heard this from an experienced collector many years ago and wonder if it is a contender for the Bze finished Norfolk OR pattern badge - any views appreciated.
Mike

Hello Mike,

Have read this thread?:

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...Myth+dispelled

[Mike B]

Hello J-T

Quite a lot to take in there but I was harking back to the original post - which was an OR pattern badge 'possibly' resembling officer finish - that said being made of Brass (Gilding Metal) rather than Bi metal. Also being on lugs.

I once had a lengthy discussion with an elderly and experienced collector (Frank Stevens) many years ago about the existence of some Corps badges posing the same conundrum. For example OR elements of the Army Pay Corps, had Officers from the Army Pay Department, yet I have found an APC badge in Bronze. As such, I thought there was an overlap with the Norfolk badge question in post 1 (noting the Regiment did not become Royal until 1935).

The explanation Frank gave was that Warrant Officers who dressed as Officers in Service Dress may wear a Bronzed badge of OR design.

Hence my postings to explore this.

I am not sure this is addressed in the current or previous post - if I have missed something please excuse me.

Any thoughts appreciated as I would like to know if this theory (above) holds any water

Mike

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Mike B

Hello J-T

Quite a lot to take in there but I was harking back to the original post - which was an OR pattern badge 'possibly' resembling officer finish - that said being made of Brass (Gilding Metal) rather than Bi metal. Also being on lugs.

I once had a lengthy discussion with an elderly and experienced collector (Frank Stevens) many years ago about the existence of some Corps badges posing the same conundrum. For example OR elements of the Army Pay Corps, had Officers from the Army Pay Department, yet I have found an APC badge in Bronze. As such, I thought there was an overlap with the Norfolk badge question in post 1 (noting the Regiment did not become Royal until 1935).

The explanation Frank gave was that Warrant Officers who dressed as Officers in Service Dress may wear a Bronzed badge of OR design.

Hence my postings to explore this.

I am not sure this is addressed in the current or previous post - if I have missed something please excuse me.

Any thoughts appreciated as I would like to know if this theory (above) holds any water

Mike

Mike,

Afraid I cannot offer any supporting evidence for that particular theory/claim, though as we often find ourselves saying with badges/collecting: 'never say never'.

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by Mike B

Hello J-T

Quite a lot to take in there but I was harking back to the original post - which was an OR pattern badge 'possibly' resembling officer finish - that said being made of Brass (Gilding Metal) rather than Bi metal. Also being on lugs.

I once had a lengthy discussion with an elderly and experienced collector (Frank Stevens) many years ago about the existence of some Corps badges posing the same conundrum. For example OR elements of the Army Pay Corps, had Officers from the Army Pay Department, yet I have found an APC badge in Bronze. As such, I thought there was an overlap with the Norfolk badge question in post 1 (noting the Regiment did not become Royal until 1935).

The explanation Frank gave was that Warrant Officers who dressed as Officers in Service Dress may wear a Bronzed badge of OR design.

Hence my postings to explore this.

I am not sure this is addressed in the current or previous post - if I have missed something please excuse me.

Any thoughts appreciated as I would like to know if this theory (above) holds any water

Mike

Hi Mike,

An interesting theory, But I would, as with other suggestions so far, like to see evidence, either written or photogrphic. I have a fairly comprehensive library containing images to the Norfolk Regt., but have only seen the officers pattern being worn by WO's up until 1937. After that the badge was the same for Officers and OR's, except for the finish of course.

That being said, is it a trial pattern that wasn't adopted? As JT has already said, never say never. After all there are photo's of OR's wearing officers badges.

Andy

[Mike B]

You are right in drawing attention to the value of photographic evidence. It is certainly the case in my own specialist field of Commando insignia. Nevertheless, as they say - 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' - there are many mysteries to be solved and this is another - 'Never say Never', is a wise adage in keeping an open mind

[Nozzer]

Indeed, the collector who thinks they know everything, will never learn anything new. I know, I've met one or two

Cheers,

Andy