FiFe & Forfar Yeomanry c1914

[dubaiguy]

Gents
You are certainly challenging perceived wisdom and this is an extremely interesting thread. I thought the relevant page from Bloomers showing the 14th Bn BW badge (middle right) along with a scan form Bosleys April auction may help. The hammer price on the Bosleys badge was £55 (then there is commission on top).

Griff
As requested I will scan the back of my badge and post later this evening (well... your afternoon)
Mark

[GriffMJ]

Thanks Mark

fate is wierd...... I just picked up a Scottish Horse badge from a Junk Shop that is pictured bottom right in that Bosley list. Can you tell me what its meant to be..... I took it as an Arm Badge?

Pictured in Wilkinson page 48 Fig: 230

[Alan O]

Bosleys are repeating Bloomer's ID. The Copper Badge 282 in Bloomers is certainly not 1908-56 either. The regt adopted the RTR black beret in the 1920s and wore it through to 1956 with a w/m badge.

[dubaiguy]

As promised here is the back of the 14th Bn BW badge (or whatever we now deem it to be). The crease on the slider is far more pronounced than the image gives credit for and we established in the earlier thread that the plumes are bent downwards.

Griff, I have scaned both pages of Bloomers which have the Scottish Horse badges. The descriptions are on the sides. I hope the photo blows up so you can read it.

Alan, when do you think that other badge you mention was in existence? I've seen a number of them around, some with the thane having a really scrawny neck - like he belongs to the African tribe that put hoops around their necks. I've always dismissed them as fakes, but continue to look for a good one.............

mark

[GriffMJ]

Mark

Excellent, many thanks. I have put my Scottish Horse badge up on a new thread. I am going back to the shop tomorrow to get the brass one thats there (its a smaller badge with rings) 1900-20.

[Alan O]

Originally Posted by dubaiguy

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Alan, when do you think that other badge you mention was in existence? I've seen a number of them around, some with the thane having a really scrawny neck - like he belongs to the African tribe that put hoops around their necks. I've always dismissed them as fakes, but continue to look for a good one.............

mark

Mark,

My logic says pre 1916 and most likely just after 1908 when they changed from brass IY badges. Interestingly the one from Bosleys was looped but slidered versions also exist. In general you do find early badges with both fittings as regts changed over. circa 1906-14.

1. I doubt it was inter war and certainly not WW2 or after due to the black berets.

2. I just can't see the CO of the F&F yeo in 1917 going 'now that we have become BW I have a really good idea to get a brass badge made' - especialy as they are die struck and not locally Egyptian cast badges.

3. They are definately not post WW2.

Alan

[GriffMJ]

Alan

As we have already established ..... it appears that the white metal badge was in the Middle East FFY operations only (with possibly one example of a Brass one).

[GriffMJ]

Alan

Whats your take on this badge?

It has also been described as an FFY NCO's? The rings do suggest an early date.... however Bloomers show a slider on the their "Copper" Badge. Its not seen in any of the photographs that have been put into this thread?

The badge on the green cutting mat is a slightly different pattern to the White metal on the red background?

[Vincent]

Another one...

[dubaiguy]

Griff
The one on the green cutting mat is the style I mentioned with the really long neck on a the knight and an almost spherical head. I cannot comment on authenticity but personally I don't like the shape.
Thanks
Mark

[Alan O]

This one was the subject of the earlier thread here
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...=forfar+police
and is shown as a Police kepi badge.

[GriffMJ]

Alan ...Mark ...

So the more probable answer is a Fife Police badge....... so the "Ringed" version is possibly a Fife Police Collar Badge or a "Constable" kepi Cap badge?

The Copper "Thane" with slider is a bit of an odd ball then ...... were sliders used in Police badges? Its more than possible that it was a badge used by the 6th (Volunteer) Battalion, The Black Watch.... in the late 1800's.

Take a look at this website http://scottishpoliceinsignia.com/Fife.htm Pay particular attention to the Constable's Caps.

[GriffMJ]

[CENTER]I think we might have the answer to the "Brass Thane of Fife"

http://thaneofife.org.uk/volunteer%20reserve.html

[Alan O]

They are part of the Volunteer Training Corps. Interesting that the CSM has the generic coat of arms used by some VTCs whilst the others do not.

[GriffMJ]

Alan

Well you have to agree that all of those Officers are wearing the Brass Thane of Fife?