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Old 07-12-17, 06:15 PM
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Default Indian army 1980s mess dress buttons

Here are my 1980's Indian Army mess dress buttons.
The sizes are 22 and 17 mm. All but one are flat with a mounted designs. I have not researched their names. Help is appreciated and thank you for looking.
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The second group of mess dress buttons.
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Old 08-12-17, 02:23 PM
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The easy ones in the first post are the Indian Army Corps of Signals ['Jimmy' with the torch], The Regiment of Artillery, the tiger of the Dogra Regiment and what I think is a generic button for the Indian Armed Forces, so possibly worn by staff wallahs and so on. Blanking on the 'fortress' badge at the moment. Not, I think, the Khyber Rifles, who went to the Pakistani Army.

The eagle in the second post is the Brigade of Guards - perhaps the variants represent individual battalions or different periods/issues. The first one on the left is the Rajputana Rifles. The last one is 'Police' and probably one of the border security units but not sure which one.

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With help from Peter Monahan and these sites:

http://www.qcmilitaria.com/indbadges.htm

http://militarybadgecollection.com/2...lry-badges.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Armed_Forces

First post:
1. Corps of Engineers
2. Indian Armed Forces
3. Corps of Signals
4. Regiment of Artillery
5 & 6. The Dogra Regiment

Post 2:
1. Rajputana Rifles
2, 3, 4: Brigade of Guards
5. a police button
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2, 3, 4: Brigade of Guards
To be pedantic, the proper titles seems to be: The Brigade of the Guards.
(Btw, it is in fact not a brigade in the British sense, but like the other infantry regiments).
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To be pedantic, the proper titles seems to be: The Brigade of the Guards.
(Btw, it is in fact not a brigade in the British sense, but like the other infantry regiments).
Henk,
The title is indeed the Brigade of the Guards, and it is a regiment.
A better scan is attached.
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To be pedantic, the proper titles seems to be: The Brigade of the Guards.
Quite right! 'Terminological inexactitude is something up with which we will not put!', to possibly quote Churchill. Thank you, gentlemen.

And I would not have gotten the Corps of Engineers. As I've said elsewhere, my heart is with the infantry and cavalry, especially the old FF units, so I was still mulling over variations of 'Khyber Rifles' and such like.
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The Police button looks like the badge of the Indo Tibetan Border Police
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The Police button looks like the badge of the Indo Tibetan Border Police
Which apparently numbers 56 battalions in 2017! Well spotted, sir. I must confess I'd never heard of them.
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I must confess I'd never heard of them.
Increase your knowledge:
ITBP: Indo Tibetan Border Police.
BSF: Border Security Force.
SSB: Sashastra Seema Bal

Al three police forces that guard different parts of the Indian border.
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To be pedantic, the proper titles seems to be: The Brigade of the Guards.
(Btw, it is in fact not a brigade in the British sense, but like the other infantry regiments).
Dear Henk,
This seller's website has a Guards Brigadge badge with text on the scroll "Brigade Of Guards".
http://www.qcmilitaria.com/indbadges.htm

My named mess dress button has the text "Brigade of the Guards"
Are they two valid titles and if so, which one came first?
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And I would not have gotten the Corps of Engineers. As I've said elsewhere, my heart is with the infantry and cavalry, especially the old FF units, so I was still mulling over variations of 'Khyber Rifles' and such like.
Dear Peter,
Attached is the regular button for the Engineers.
Thank you for your help and best regards,
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The Police button looks like the badge of the Indo Tibetan Border Police
Thank you!
With a lot of imagination the first 3 letters in the scroll can be read as I T B
My best scan is attached.
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Here is a quiz of a dozen Indian buttons. Many are police, but there could be railway buttons as well. I have only been able to identify a two of them (BSF, RPF). I think I.R. may be an Indian Railways button, but I cannot find evidence.
Please help.
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Dear Henk,
This seller's website has a Guards Brigadge badge with text on the scroll "Brigade Of Guards".
http://www.qcmilitaria.com/indbadges.htm

My named mess dress button has the text "Brigade of the Guards"
Are they two valid titles and if so, which one came first?
That is indeed what the badge says. But use Google and search for "brigade of the guards" and you will find hundreds of pointers to official and unofficial websites (including Wikipedia) that call it like that. And that includes badge pictures with a scroll having the "THE" (although they are drawings, no photos).

I think I go for the majority here. Your mileage may differ of course.
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