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Old 20-10-21, 11:53 AM
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Afternoon team!

I have a few dregs in my collection that I can't identify including the most bizarre version of an artillery badge you'll ever have seen in your lives!

1. West Riding RHA - OK this one is identified and I can see from Westlake that they existed but K&K don't seem to have them. I'm noticing a tall orb going on and presume fakery. Would be interested to know if it's a copy of a genuine badge that existed (because I can't find any official reference to it in K&K).

2. Royal Arms with a Victorian crown - We have looked at this one before and the view was that it might have been a Victorian pouch badge but can anyone help me nail it down for sure? If it can't be pinned to particular regiment or corps, then what kind of soldier might have worn/used one?

3. Royal Welch Fusiliers pouch badge? We have also seen this one before and I just wanted to know what period it was from and when/where it might have been worn. A particular dress? Band? Who wore it?

4. Victorian Connaught Rangers - I have two of these beauties so presume that's a good indicator that it is fake. Is this a copy of a genuine badge that once existed or is it a fantasy?

5. Vishnu Artillery? I'm not hot on Indian deities but the right number of arms for Vishnu who sometimes wore trousers. What madness is this? I'd love to hear speculation on how it might have come into existence. Someone once suggested that after the British left India they might have left their dies behind and someone just had a bit of a play with one.

6. Blue/Red/Light Blue Anchor cloth flash - I can't find any reference for this and don't know if it's military or civilian.

7. Firmin pheasant (?) button - it's obviously been on the ground and the fastening loop on the back is no longer with us. The front (which is probably not clear) shows what I think is a pheasant standing on ground and looking back over its shoulder. Do we think this is a livery or sporting button pure and simple. Or does someone know if it's something specific?

8. Yellow globe/wreath on red background trade/proficiency badge - any ideas?

All views most welcome! (Be gentle)

Best wishes,

Tom
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Old 20-10-21, 11:55 AM
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Connaught Rangers has the repro's die fault beneath the harp and motto scroll.
Yellow and red badge is RM Bandsman's collar badge.
Looks like I was wrong re. the RM collar badge (probably because I associate the badge with a batch of RM Bandsman's tunics that came on the market some years ago).
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Old 20-10-21, 12:04 PM
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Connaught Rangers has the repro's die fault beneath the harp and motto scroll.
Yellow and red badge is RM Bandsman's collar badge.
Thanks, as always, Leigh. Is the badge a repro of an actual badge that once existed? It's not in K&K. Is it meant to be a Connaught Rangers Glengarry badge and do you know where might I see a picture of what a real one should look like?

Thanks,

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Old 20-10-21, 12:31 PM
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I believe that the Connaught's badge is a "genuine" design but Im not sure, others will be able to specify.
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Old 20-10-21, 12:48 PM
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Your Indian badge reminds me of something I have which is to the Norfolk regt. It’s a menu card holder, yours should have a riveted on base that comes up the back of your badge, it’s a heavy base that hold it all up, about 50 mm in dia and 6mm thick.
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Base could have started life as a shell case.
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1. West Riding is a common fake, tall orb as you say, and deliberately discoloured to deceive. The real badge in GM does exist. Search this forum and you will see one.

2. Not a military badge. The Royal Arms was used on a multitude of products.

5. Your one word 'madness' sums this fantasy item up.

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Old 20-10-21, 04:44 PM
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The pheasant button is a livery button as it has a torse.
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No.8 I believe is Royal Marines band No.1 dress collar badge

Just saw your post above Leigh, Doh! Ignore my doofishness . . .

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Old 20-10-21, 04:53 PM
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No.6 looks very much like a half subdued/theatre made/copy of the Joint Air Delivery Test & Evaluation Unit.
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No. 6. Joint Air Transport Establishment c1996

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No.6 looks very much like a half subdued/theatre made/copy of the Joint Air Delivery Test & Evaluation Unit.
Thanks. How strange that mine's black. I can only find three examples on t'internet and they're all yellow.
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No. 6. Joint Air Transport Establishment c1996

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Thanks, Marc. Can you see any examples anywhere? Bess thought it was the Joint Air Delivery Test and Evaluation Unit
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The pheasant button is a livery button as it has a torse.
And today's word of the day is "torse". Just had a nice Google. Thanks!
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2. Not a military badge. The Royal Arms was used on a multitude of products.
Thanks, Manchesters. Just so I can put this to bed, can you give me a couple of examples of its use?
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