Norfolk Yeomanry

[Chrisr]

Attached are photos of two Norfolk Yeomanry ER VII badges I have. One is a cast badge and the other is die stamped. Can any of the specialists advise on them please?

Thank you
Chris

[Deejayuu]

I picked this up some months ago but am not quite sure what it should have been worn on. The badge i beleive belongs to The Kings Own Royal Norfolk Yeomanry and has the Edward VII cypher. There is a similar badge in K&K (1476) but the badge i have is not a cap badge. The body of the badge has three screw fittings with original hand made nuts. The crown is seperate again with a hand made nut. The whole is mounted on a piece of leather that has been cut from something larger and looks as though it has been weatherproofed in a pitch based sealant. On the back is what looks like the remains of a strap. The badge itself is brass and measures 56mm high (2 1/4") and 42mm wide (1 5/8"). I suspect that this may have been a device on the sabretache but not sure.
Any thoughts on where this badge may have ben worn? Any thoughts on the rarity of this badge?
Kind regards, Dave

[cbuehler]

Certainly a pouch badge of some sort, but I would think rather small for use on a sabretache. Perhaps a cross belt pouch?

CB

[Deejayuu]

CB, thanks for the reply. I am not sure where this badge was worn, pouch badge is certinly a possiblity.
Cheers, Dave

[Sonofacqms]

I think this could possibly have been worn on the shoulder chains originally, the piece of leather may well have been a latter day way of displaying the badge and not original.

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Deejayuu

I picked this up some months ago but am not quite sure what it should have been worn on. The badge i beleive belongs to The Kings Own Royal Norfolk Yeomanry and has the Edward VII cypher. There is a similar badge in K&K (1476) but the badge i have is not a cap badge. The body of the badge has three screw fittings with original hand made nuts. The crown is seperate again with a hand made nut. The whole is mounted on a piece of leather that has been cut from something larger and looks as though it has been weatherproofed in a pitch based sealant. On the back is what looks like the remains of a strap. The badge itself is brass and measures 56mm high (2 1/4") and 42mm wide (1 5/8"). I suspect that this may have been a device on the sabretache but not sure.
Any thoughts on where this badge may have ben worn? Any thoughts on the rarity of this badge?
Kind regards, Dave

Dave,
The edging (if it is*1? - as its hard to make out) of the leather looks
very similar to the edging on a couple of undress pouches pouches I have.
*1 If its been folded over slightly and then stitched - there is no guarantee
that its the same piece of course, but I would plump for whats left of a
the pouch cover.
david

[Deejayuu]

I should have pointed out that the bottom edge has been folded back under itself and has been stitched in place. From the look of the weatherproofed leather it is old and looks as though it has been cut from something larger. I speculated at a sabretache but it could well have been a pouch badge as has been suggested earlier. I have carefully undone one of the nuts to allow the back of the badge to be view. It is dead flat to the rear and looks of very fine quality. I do not think it is cast but i cannot really get the scanner in to show it. Could a flat backed badge have been struck rarther than cast?

Many thanks for the help so far, Dave

[Deejayuu]

Originally Posted by Sonofacqms

I think this could possibly have been worn on the shoulder chains originally, the piece of leather may well have been a latter day way of displaying the badge and not original.

I am open to suggestions. I think the leather is original as the leather has been cut on N, E & W from a larger panel, the S edge has been stitched.

Cheers, Dave

[wright241]

Originally Posted by Deejayuu

I should have pointed out that the bottom edge has been folded back under itself and has been stitched in place. From the look of the weatherproofed leather it is old and looks as though it has been cut from something larger. I speculated at a sabretache but it could well have been a pouch badge as has been suggested earlier. I have carefully undone one of the nuts to allow the back of the badge to be view. It is dead flat to the rear and looks of very fine quality. I do not think it is cast but i cannot really get the scanner in to show it. Could a flat backed badge have been struck rarther than cast?

Many thanks for the help so far, Dave

Dave,
Yes it is possible to have been flat backed. I have a couple - not a Norfolk
one - but if the leather is good quality, then the rest of it was probably dis-
carded. I did have an old pouch where the edging was actually folded over
- as in a U shape i.e. it was a thin strip of leather. It finished off the pouch
rather nicely and looks much better than just plain stitching. You might even be able to pick up another plain leather pouch (I do have one, but I want
to keep it - just in case) and remount the badge on that. Shouldn't be
that hard to get hold of. If you send me a closeup (use my email address)
of the bottom edge I will compare it with mine. Yours seems to have the
very slight curve - which is how it it should be.
david

[sean michael cronin]

Hello Chris, judging by the patina they both look fine to me, as with a lot of monogram badges some manufacturers chose to die cast these badges for strength. Cheers Sean.

[Mark Blackburn]

Take a look at my gallery for a comparison, I'm pretty sure the one shown is O.K.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...hp?albumid=110

[Chrisr]

Sean and Mark,

Many thanks for your advice. Much appreciated. I had a inkling they might be OK as they are rarely seen on ebay, but wasn't sure. It is nice to get confirmation from those who know.

Best wishes for 2009

Cheers
Chris

[2747andy]

Two recent additions to my Yeomanry Collection are two maker marked Norfolk Yeomanry badges, both GvR patterns.

The first large (57 x 40 mm), with a Bent and Parker slider, "BP & Co Ld B'HAM". (Pics 1 & 2)

The second a slightly smaller (49 x 42 mm) version, again GvR with "GAUNT LONDON" to the rear leg of the "R". (Pics 3, 4 & 5) - This is a slightly squatter shape, so may not be a Norfolk Yeo badge?

Norfolk Yeo badges are often confused with the much smaller Provost Corps badge (which I have seen listed as a Norfolk Yeo beret badge?) which I have included for comparison. (Pic 6)

[wright241]

Originally Posted by 2747andy

Two recent additions to my Yeomanry Collection are two maker marked Norfolk Yeomanry badges, both GvR patterns.

The first large (57 x 40 mm), with a Bent and Parker slider, "BP & Co Ld B'HAM". (Pics 1 & 2)

The second a slightly smaller (49 x 42 mm) version, again GvR with "GAUNT LONDON" to the rear leg of the "R". (Pics 3, 4 & 5) - This is a slightly squatter shape, so may not be a Norfolk Yeo badge?

Norfolk Yeo badges are often confused with the much smaller Provost Corps badge (which I have seen listed as a Norfolk Yeo beret badge?) which I have included for comparison. (Pic 6)

Andy,
I was always under the impression that the NY CapB 'G' - at the top - didn't touch the back of the 'R'.....
(or was it the other around?) - I just thought it was supposed to be significant...

david

[orasot]

Here's mine for comparison Andy, same Gaunt mark as yours too, same place.
Gaunt one measures 50mm x 42mm, B&P measures 58mm x 42 mm. Wilf.