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Old 03-06-24, 12:18 PM
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Interesting.

But how does one tell the difference between an all brass badge or all Wm badge in a black and white photo?
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Old 03-06-24, 12:52 PM
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As it's a darker colour is saying it's the brass one, wm would show a bit brighter.
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Old 03-06-24, 02:03 PM
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Again, from J. D. Sainsbury

"The Hertfordshire Yeomanry Regiment, Royal Artillery"

Page 196, plate 120

Not the entire text, but the relevant

"Revived in 1943 by 86th Field Regiment for wear in the black beret. Gilding metal"

No mention of white metal being specific at this time.
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Old 03-06-24, 02:25 PM
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Im sure I've seen it written down somewhere regarding it being a white metal badge, I'll have to dig out my notes.
Another photo to possibly draw conclusions from.

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Old 03-06-24, 02:43 PM
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Officer's had a silver plate badge, I know you heres a clip of one of those being worn on an LST that I think is from the IWM
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A polished WM or GM badge is absolutely impossible to discern in black and white photos, as are silver or gilt badges.
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The badge on the beret is a rendition of the post-1961 Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire Yeomanry cap badge, not the 1908-61 Herfordshire Yeomanry pattern.
The one in the drawing is the officers silver plate pattern 1941? for Herts then Herts & Beds yeomanry.
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The one in the drawing is the officers silver plate pattern 1941? for Herts then Herts & Beds yeomanry.
Are you saying that the pattern worn post-1961 by the Herts and Beds Yeomanry was already in use by officers of the Herts Yeomanry before the amalgamation?. If so, that's a new one on me. The illustration in Leigh's post of the ranker wearing the black beret clearly shows the post-1961 Herts and Beds Yeomanry pattern cap badge.
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Old 04-06-24, 03:21 PM
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Yes , Herts yeomanry 41-53, Herts & Beds 61-67 and as I've already said there is a video clip with it being worn going over to France in 44.
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Yes , Herts yeomanry 41-53, Herts & Beds 61-67 and as I've already said there is a video clip with it being worn going over to France in 44.
Thanks for that and there was me thinking the 1961-67 pattern was a new design. Every day's a schoolday.
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The one in the drawing is the officers silver plate pattern 1941? for Herts then Herts & Beds yeomanry.
The drawing is of a Gunner, not an Officer.
I think it's just the artists impression of the badge.
I still think I've seen it written somewhere that it was a white metal badge in the black beret, as per the OP badge.
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I didn't get it from this but.
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Old 04-06-24, 07:26 PM
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The Hertfordshire Yeomanry Regiments, Royal Artillery
Part 1: The Field Regiments, states a new badge was made for the Officers in white metal, with a frosted silver finish, that's where I read 'white metal ', so more than likely the Other ranks did indeed wear the gilding metal hart badge.

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