Uncle George served with who?

[SandieNZ]

Appreciate your comments.
I understand the markings on his right sleeve to be a wound stripe and service stripes?
Can you identify the cap badge for me please, and
what is the "L?" on his upper right sleeve, and
above his right breast pocket?
Many thanks
Sandie

[BWEF]

From here it looks as if he served in the Manchester Regiment, has been wounded once and is wearing either the ribbon of the 1914 or the 1914/15 Star. The ribbon was the same for both anyway.

He also "has some service in", as can be seen from the two inverted chevrons on his lower sleeve near the wound stripe.

The cloth item on the top of his sleeve is a formation sign, although I don't know which one off the top of my head. If no-one posts today I will see if I can find it in one of my books this evening.

Probably taken in 1917 or 1918.

[SandieNZ]

Thank you so much for your prompt reply!
Sandie

[Unknownsoldier]

Whats his full name?

Tom

[Diehard]

His division patch looks like it could be - LM on a diamond.

If so I think this is :- Light Trench Mortar Battery for the 42nd East Lancashire Division (Territorial Force).

The patch was a diamond in either red (senior brigade),green(intermediate brigade) or yellow(junior brigade). Embroidered on this was there designation ie. machine gun company (MG), mortar company (LM) etc.

That division included 1/5, 1/6, 1/7, 1/8 ,1/9 & 1/10 Manchester Regt.

Can anyone confirm this ?

Will.

[SandieNZ]

He is George W DARNELL

[Unknownsoldier]

Hi,

He is therefore:

295032 Private Geroge W Darnell 8th Battallion Manchester Regiment.

Enlisted: 19-7-1913
Discharged: 4-4-1919

Discharged under: P392, (XVIA) KR

ATB,
Tom

[SandieNZ]

Wonderful! I did have a quick look today at National Archives Medal Roll indexes but of course that didn't tell me the dates. Thank you Tom. Can you just explain P392 (XVIA) KR to me please?
This also solves the debate with a family member who says George is the fellow on the right of the picture I posted under "Any Info Please". That fellow has Lance Corporal stipes on his sleeve?? and good old George was only a Private.
Sandie

[Unknownsoldier]

P392, (XVIA) KR = Paragraph 392 (16A) Kings Regulations, I'll have to check what it means though, usually services no longer required.

PM sent.

ATB,
Tom

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by SandieNZ

Wonderful! I did have a quick look today at National Archives Medal Roll indexes but of course that didn't tell me the dates. Thank you Tom. Can you just explain P392 (XVIA) KR to me please?
This also solves the debate with a family member who says George is the fellow on the right of the picture I posted under "Any Info Please". That fellow has Lance Corporal stipes on his sleeve?? and good old George was only a Private.
Sandie

Men who left the army did so under King's Regulation 392. But there were many reasons for a soldier to be discharged, and the Regulation 392 had many causes categorised

(xvi) = No longer physically fit for service

[SandieNZ]

Thank you

[Toby Purcell]

My pleasure Sandie. The 2 good conduct 'badges' (inverted chevrons) are for 5 years blemish free service, no small achievement in an army very strict with its discipline.

[SandieNZ]

I've been sent another pix with some more badges for you to advise me on please...

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by SandieNZ

I've been sent another pix with some more badges for you to advise me on please...

Superb and v interesting pic as he has so many badges. As well as 5 years good conduct and a wound stripe (possibly a leg wound as it is very rare indeed to see a WW1 soldier with a walking stick as opposed to a 'swagger cane'), he also appears to have 5 overseas service stripes, one for each year of the war, which would indicate that he is an old contemptible, one of the original British Expeditionary Force (BEF). The first (lowest) strip would be red, for 1914, and each of the other 4, blue, for 1915 through to 1918. He is also wearing the qualification badge of a Trench Mortarman, which was a flaming grenade or bomb, from memory only, bottom half blue and top half red. In addition he is wearing the Formation Badge of a Light Mortar Battery, LM on a diamond, which indicates he was in the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division. Each brigade within the divison had a different coloured diamond.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by SandieNZ

I've been sent another pix with some more badges for you to advise me on please...

Superb and v interesting pic as he has so many badges. As well as 5 years good conduct and a wound stripe (possibly a leg wound as it is very rare indeed to see a WW1 soldier with a walking stick as opposed to a 'swagger cane'), he also appears to have 5 overseas service stripes, one for each year of the war, which would indicate that he is an 'old contemptible', one of the original British Expeditionary Force (BEF). The first (lowest) strip would be red, for 1914, and each of the other 4, blue, for 1915 through to 1918. He is also wearing the qualification badge of a Trench Mortarman, which was a flaming grenade or bomb, from memory only, bottom half blue and top half red. In addition he is wearing the Formation Badge of a Light Mortar Battery, LM on a diamond, which indicates he was in the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division. Each brigade within the division had a different coloured diamond.