is this the east yorkshire regiment in ww2 ??

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by slim-544

you clearly know the subject matter Toby , the hunt goes on then for the type i need but the fun is in the hunt so its not that bad !

You will have no trouble obtaining a GS locket - there were literally millions made and distributed throughout the Empire and Dominions. There are invariably lots of them for sale on ebay.

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

That is the pattern used for the courlene (nylon) web belt that I mentioned earlier, as indicated by the much larger loops. The buff leather and later pvc versions used for the bulk of the period since the buckles introduction in 1870 were significantly narrower.

Prior to 1870 a regimental pattern was issued for both Line and Foot Guards, with officers enjoying a finer quality and more elaborate version that some specialised collectors now seek.

After 1870 only the Foot Guards continued to receive issued regimental versions, with all other units being issued the GS pattern. The size of loop for both remained that suitable for both the buff and brown leather belts, that continue to be issued to some units of British and Dependent Territories.

I am unsure if the wider version that you show was ever provided at public expense, but I do not think it was.

Hi there,
Your time lines for the issue/use of the GS belt buckle are not at issue here, however 1 PWO re-introduced (not quite correct but hard to explain as the PWO only formed in 1958) a buckle with the Brunswick Star in the centre (ex East Yorks) surrounded with the Regimental motto ''Nec Aspera Terrant'' in the 1990's in the same style as the Line Regiment buckle which met it's demise in 1870. This took take over from the rectangular brass buckle which had been worn since the 1970's with an AA capbadge in its centre.

The loops of the new buckle being the same size as the issued GS belt buckle worn on the sword belt by Warrant Officers. The new buckle was worn on a green plastic (or white for ceromonial duties) belt simular to the MOD issue one but narrower by those on guard, in barrack dress and No 2 dress (the stable belt was still worn in working dress).

I'm sure some other Regiments took the same road, it would be inyteresting to put together a list.

Cheers,

Marcus

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by HAMMO2440

Hi there,
Your time lines for the issue/use of the GS belt buckle are not at issue here, however 1 PWO re-introduced (not quite correct but hard to explain as the PWO only formed in 1958) a buckle with the Brunswick Star in the centre (ex East Yorks) surrounded with the Regimental motto ''Nec Aspera Terrant'' in the 1990's in the same style as the Line Regiment buckle which met it's demise in 1870. This took take over from the rectangular brass buckle which had been worn since the 1970's with an AA capbadge in its centre.

The loops of the new buckle being the same size as the issued GS belt buckle worn on the sword belt by Warrant Officers. The new buckle was worn on a green plastic (or white for ceromonial duties) belt simular to the MOD issue one but narrower by those on guard, in barrack dress and No 2 dress (the stable belt was still worn in working dress).

I'm sure some other Regiments took the same road, it would be inyteresting to put together a list.

Cheers,

Marcus

Hello Marcus,

I had considered making the point that several regiments had their own regimental buckles made in the 80s and 90s but I did not want to muddy the waters too much. You are of course quite right and some of these buckles were well made in solid brass (notably for the Cheshires but also others) and some were of chrome ("Mazak") type. The loops were also made in both sizes, i.e. for courlene and GS width belts. Quite a number of these regimental designs were also added to stable belts and, coincidentally, I became involved in the design of one of them. However, apart from the Household Division, no regimental buckles were issued at public expense.

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Hello Marcus,

I had considered making the point that several regiments had their own regimental buckles made in the 80s and 90s but I did not want to muddy the waters too much. You are of course quite right and some of these buckles were well made in solid brass (notably for the Cheshires but also others) and some were of chrome ("Mazak") type. The loops were also made in both sizes, i.e. for courlene and GS width belts. Quite a number of these regimental designs were also added to stable belts and, coincidentally, I became involved in the design of one of them. However, apart from the Household Division, no regimental buckles were issued at public expense.

Hi Toby,

Yes indeed the PWO one was a PRI item as was the preceeding rectangular brass buckle and Stable belt (an expensive buisness for recruits turning up at the Bn). It was made from top quality cast brass and a great advance on the previous version.

Cheers,

Marcus

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by HAMMO2440

Hi Toby,

Yes indeed the PWO one was a PRI item as was the preceeding rectangular brass buckle and Stable belt (an expensive buisness for recruits turning up at the Bn). It was made from top quality cast brass and a great advance on the previous version.

Cheers,

Marcus

Hello Marcus, they will be very rare one day due to their short period of life and very valuable. You are right that it would be interesting to try and record them. As well as the PWO, I know of the Cheshires and RGBW as having good quality brass, but most others were poor quality 'Mazak' lockets that were chrome plated.

[Peter Brydon]

There was also a brass buckle for the Kings Regiment.

A well known dealer in Scottish badges has one for sale which he incorrectly describes as a Liverpool Scottish item.

P.B.

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

Hello Marcus, they will be very rare one day due to their short period of life and very valuable. You are right that it would be interesting to try and record them. As well as the PWO, I know of the Cheshires and RGBW as having good quality brass, but most others were poor quality 'Mazak' lockets that were chrome plated.

Toby,

I had better have a look for mine the next time I'm back home, I had one on a green plastic belt (that I think I still have or more likely my son has along with my stable belt and beret) and one one a sword belt that I think I gave away when I left 1 PWO along with my maroon Gurnsey pullover (complete with bullion badges and shoulder boards) and another load of Regimental bits and pieces. At the time I just did not think that I would have an interest in them, how very short sighted that was.

Cheers Marcus

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by 8thfoot

There was also a brass buckle for the Kings Regiment.

A well known dealer in Scottish badges has one for sale which he incorrectly describes as a Liverpool Scottish item.

P.B.

I am pretty sure that is not brass P.B. as it has the (familiar to me) appearance and details of a 'Mazak' Locket, as marketed by Hobson & Sons Ltd. There were two finishes, chrome and synthetic brass/gilt plating, as in the case (I believe) of this King's version. Only a very few regiments had brass as they were very expensive when compared with the Mazak type and either the soldiers or the CO's fund had to pay for them. They were usually sold in the PRI shop.

[grey_green_acorn]

Originally Posted by Toby Purcell

I am pretty sure that is not brass P.B. as it has the (familiar to me) appearance and details of a 'Mazak' Locket, as marketed by Hobson & Sons Ltd. There were two finishes, chrome and synthetic brass/gilt plating, as in the case (I believe) of this King's version. Only a very few regiments had brass as they were very expensive when compared with the Mazak type and either the soldiers or the CO's fund had to pay for them. They were usually sold in the PRI shop.

Toby,
Here is my version of the KING'S buckle. It is a different design to PB's, looks and feels like brass but the back is clearly marked H&S LTD (Hobson & Son).

Also for interest is the female half of a GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT buckle. The back has "22" scrtached on it. I was told by the RQMS that at the time of the RGBW merger new female halves were made and used with the original GLOSTERS sphinx half.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn

Toby,
Here is my version of the KING'S buckle. It is a different design to PB's, looks and feels like brass but the back is clearly marked H&S LTD (Hobson & Son).

Also for interest is the female half of a GLOUCESTERSHIRE REGIMENT buckle. The back has "22" scrtached on it. I was told by the RQMS that at the time of the RGBW merger new female halves were made and used with the original GLOSTERS sphinx half.

Superb stuff and very clearly brass, thank you so much for posting them and adding to this thread. Hobson & Sons have always made brass accoutrements and I did not mean to give the impression that they only supplied Mazak buckles. LIke most companies they have a top end as well as a budget range.

The Glosters buckle is especially interesting. The floriated ends to the buckle were originally common on the officers pattern buckles, whereas the men had the simple horizontal inscribing shown on your King's buckle.

Both buckles are of the size for the courlene belts.