Caernarvon/Flint & Denbigh Yeo Cap badges.....

[GriffMJ]

Hi All

Does anyone have the following in Anodised Cap badges?

1. "Caernarvon & Denbigh Yeo", anodised aluminium sealed pattern 28th Jan 1952 (KK Fig: 2350).

2. "Flint & Debigh Yeo", anodised aluminium sealed pattern 28th Jan 1958 (KK Fig : 2351).

I would love to see some images front & back....

Were there different makers of each of the badges?

I did find this thread http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ead.php?t=3658 and one of those A/A badges is a fake.

[GriffMJ]

Found images of both now...... both are Gaunt made..... unless anyone has a different maker variant?

[hagwalther]

Hi Griff,

The following two badges are deemed, by myself at least, to be genuine examples.

Regards

Chris

[GriffMJ]

Thank you Chris

I did find a very old post on the subject and in it was a fake ...... this type of fake can also be found in bi-metal.

[GriffMJ]

Chris

Just to clarify..... in your opinion is the A/A badge below a fake?

I ask because the OSD next to it is identicle and it would rule that one out as being a viable badge.

[hagwalther]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Chris

Just to clarify..... in your opinion is the A/A badge below a fake?

I ask because the OSD next to it is identicle and it would rule that one out as being a viable badge.

Hi Griff,

The A/A badge has a slider that has been found on a lot of other badges deemed to be dodgy. I have not gone through the trail back to the the source yet though. However, saying that I do have a very common Prince of Wales Own regt of Yorkshire badge with a similar looking slider and I cannot think why someone would want to reproduce this item. However, (again), I have not been able to compare the two 'in hand'.

re: the two badges - they are totally different and have come from different dies.

e.g. the lower ends of the feathers touch the scroll on the A/A badge while the on the other badge the feathers are well away from it. Also the shape of the crown sides is very different etc. etc.

Regards

Chris

[GriffMJ]

Chris

The OSD is a two part badge with the scroll being added to the lowered scrolls on the feathers...

Thanks for your views

[William]

Originally Posted by hagwalther

Hi Griff,

The following two badges are deemed, by myself at least, to be genuine examples.

Regards

Chris

Fully agreed, Chris.

Nice pair of badges, they compliment each other very well.

:-)

[41st]

I'd forgotten I that I had picked up the second badge shown below a while back.
The first is what I have always considered to be the standard issue bimetal badge to the above with the three loops on the reverse.
The second is the recent pick up with a Gaunt slider, but the badge is from the same die.
So why the two variants?

[hagwalther]

Originally Posted by 41st

I'd forgotten I that I had picked up the second badge shown below a while back.
The first is what I have always considered to be the standard issue bimetal badge to the above with the three loops on the reverse.
The second is the recent pick up with a Gaunt slider, but the badge is from the same die.
So why the two variants?

I can't comment on non A/A badges but this may be of interest.

When I was in the IWM a few years ago going through their A/A bits and pieces I noted that there was one unit, The Queen’s Own Mercian Yeomanry, RAC (TA), that had an A/A badges with both lugs and slider.

From page 81 of Chapter 8: Loops:

However, collectors need to appreciate that the author has found no definite proof of any pair of anodised aluminium cap badges having the same badge body where the use of loops was specifically reserved for officers and the use of sliders was specifically allocated to ranks. The example given above, for The Queen’s Own Mercian Yeomanry, RAC (TA), probably has more to do with the type of head-dress being worn rather that the ranked use of the two badges. Therefore the use of either loops or sliders came down to the badge’s use on a specific head-dress with a view to aesthetic appearance and the prevention of loss.

A theory of mine only.

Regards

Chris

[41st]

Chris,

That is the only reason I could come up with i.e. that the lugged version is for use with the beret only.

Hwyl,

Kevin

[hagwalther]

Originally Posted by 41st

Chris,

That is the only reason I could come up with i.e. that the lugged version is for use with the beret only.

Hwyl,

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Could be but lugs were usual (and again I speak from an A/A perspective only) only allowed after permission by the War Office/Army Dress Committee. The original standard for A/A badges was a slider (with a few exceptions).

However, many large size Scottish badges were attired with lugs so it appears that the slider standard was amended to lugs in the cases of large badges, or the head dress type that they were to be used on.

Regards

Chris

[GriffMJ]

Kevin

First bi-metal slider version I have seen

[41st]

Gruff,
Same for me but definitely kosher.
Hwyl fawr,
Kevin

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Kevin

First bi-metal slider version I have seen

[GriffMJ]

Kevin

Its interesting that Gaunt have changed the back image of the Bim. badge with slider, specifically the name scroll base? I wonder why they would have gone to the expense of doing that?

My Bim. tri-looped badge has some of the high points polished away from use.

This badge is worn from 1946 to 1956...... so we see a bi-metal tri-looped, a bi-metal slider'ed and an AA slider'ed version during this period of 10 years.

You would expect to see the larger Gaunt makers mark on the slider of the bi-metal? As seen in other Regiments of the period (as shown on the C&D Yeo AA).... 17/21st and LDYPAO as just two examples that I can give.

Have you inspected the "bend" of the slider?