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14-12-10, 12:15 PM
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Firmin London Button - Badge?
Hi All
I have recentley discovered that Firmin (London) made A/A buttons for the "Leicestershire and Derbyshire PAO Yeomanry". Common buttons are made by J R Gaunt (London) so this is a bit of a revalation. Q: If Firmin made buttons for the Regiment .... then would they have made the Cap Badge as well? Does anyone have any records of a "Firmin" made LDY Cap badge in AA? At the moment we know of LDY Cap badges by:- J R Gaunt London : Bi-metal (c1957-63) & AA (1963-66) J R Gaunt BHAM: AA Only (c1966-75) HW TIMINGS BHAM: AA Only (c1970-75)
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15-12-10, 07:06 PM
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I only have records for Gaunt and Timings making the A/A cap badge. With cap badges, collar badges and buttons - each contract supply was a separate entity. Just because company 'A' made cap badges it does not follow that they also made collar badges or buttons for the same unit. Taking this further - just because collars were made for a specific unit in A/A it does not follow that the cap badge was also manufactured. Regards Chris
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15-12-10, 08:29 PM
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Chris, does your research also show that it would be fair to say that "back in the day" War Office/MOD procurement sought the best possible (lowest) price and on time delivery so there was fierce commercial competition between the various badge and button makers?
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15-12-10, 08:46 PM
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Er, no. It seems that the companies that made A/A badges keep a very good working relationship with the War Office and the Dress Committee especially an officer named L M Arnold who progressed through the ranks over the decades to Colonel. With most of the correspondents the quotes for samples and bulk contracts were usually signed off by him with the words: "...which is both reasonable and fair..." or similar. The issue therefore seems to be was that everyone knew what was expected of them and there was quite a lot of cooperation between companies even with their own committee on design advice in relation to manufacturing issues. At times some companies did not tender or re-tender as they could not fulfil obligations to supply to lack of capacity or skilled labour and others would pick up the work. Which leads into this - just because one company made the prototype sample and the Master and Standard Sealed Pattern Cards it did not mean that they got the first bulk contact to supply. Back to your question - This is not to say that The War Office did not go for the lowest tender but it seems that all were in the same ball game and those that were able to supply seemed to get the work and usually supplied on time. Again it seems that the old way to business success was to follow the dictum that: "...everyone needs a fair share of the pie..." Sadly missing today... Bit of an ambiguous answer I'm afraid but best I can come up with. Regards Chris
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15-12-10, 10:50 PM
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13-01-11, 07:49 PM
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Hi Chris
Well bugger me -never say never!! Definatley a pre 1970..... if you could find details out for this one the current LDY Squadron should be able to draw badges/buttons from the information
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