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Here you go: to the left a proper KC OR's badge, to the right my fake. I have planned when time allows to teach myself how to fret badges, this will be my first try.
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Thanks dubaiguy, for your comments, from memory I think the lugs on the 25th badge are N/S.
Regards Phil. Last edited by Drummajor; 28-08-16 at 11:05 PM. Reason: Wrong Name |
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The KOSB still had stocks of KC badges in the 1970's so presumably they would have exhausted those and gone straight to A/A badges. QC W/M badges come both in seeded and unseeded versions, as do the A/A badges. I believe from the same die.
Rgds, Thomas. |
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The Regular Bn was still wearing metal k/c although the q/c version has a sealed date of 1955 in K&K. However if you read Hagwalthers book you will see that stock levels meant that it took some years for the a a/a q/c badge to be required.
The w/m q/c ones are commercial ones imo. |
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The fretted round bottom scroll badge I have is w/m and you now confirm what I was rapidly concluding myself. That it was intended as an NCO's - though of course as a hand me down could have been worn by just about anyone. I even asked my sister who lives in a village outside Berwick to invite the retired KOSB major who lives close by in for a dram. I was hoping for the price of a couple of whisky's I could get some info from the horses' mouth. She may do so yet. To add to the fake rounded scroll KC you show, I include a scan of 2 fake QVC's that I had picked up and disposed of. This is the fake I mentioned earlier and started off my reservation about round bottom O/R badges. eBay is peppered with this QVC one and they come with various degrees of artificial ageing. Usually a brownish wash that has been quickly and haphazardly painted on. I didn't realize that there was also a seeded version of the a/a badge - thanks for that info. I'll need to look for one. Perhaps worth reiterating that there is also a smaller a/a badge often sold as the small glengarry badge which is nothing of the sort. Thanks again for the info. Mark |
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I agree. Last year when I was in Berwick I popped in to see the curator to buy from him Trevor Royle's book on the KOSB. I mentioned the 1915 brass badge that 3DG shows and said pretty much what you write above. He acknowledged what I said, but that was as far as it was going to go. As far as the museum were concerned it was a 1915 brass badge. Having said all that I don't wish to knock the exhibits which on the whole were excellent. I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to the former barracks and museum as I do other Scottish military museums. |
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IsThanks Thomas for the pic of a genuine KOSB WM KC, would you mind if I could see the back as well. Also you mention a 'seeded' anodised badge, excuse my ignorance, but what does seeded mean please? And is the small anodised badge a belt buckle badge?
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Also, is there a dealer selling a genuine KOSB WM KC? I cannot find one, most I've been on have the one I have! So steering clear!
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The smaller A/A badge is a sporran badge. Rgds, Thomas. |
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Seeding is the pebble like structure on the scrolls, later done away with to improve readability on A/A badges. The small badge is a sporran badge, the belt buckle badge is I believe the same size as the cap badge, but with different fittings? Rgds, Thomas. |
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Thank you Thomas for all your help, greatly appreciated, I'll keep my eyes out for a seeded anodised myself, very interesting. And thanks to everyone else who have posted, cheers
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These round bottom badges are of the Officers' pattern but it is possible that NCOs may have adopted them as well - however this wold be regtl practice and not officially supplied. As has been said the waters are muddied by the fact that they are heavily reproduced.
As for the regtl museum's brass one - I fear that it has been donated as a 'rare WW1 all brass badge' and the museum has repeated the fallacy that such a badge was produced as a wartime saving measure when it is untrue and thus given a legitimacy to a fake. |
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