Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers One Piece Piper's Badge

[irishhorse]

Seen this today, what's the forums opinion on this one ? I've not seen another two piece badge too compare it with !

[ebro]

A lot depends on what size this is. It looks like a Royal Irish Regiment Officer's 2 piece Collar badge.
Eddie

[ebro]

RIR Colonel with two piece collars.

[irishhorse]

Originally Posted by ebro

A lot depends on what size this is. It looks like a Royal Irish Regiment Officer's 2 piece Collar badge.
Eddie

Eddie. Its the correct size for the piper badge. The badge partially visible beside it, is an Irish Guards piper's badge.

[ebro]

The bottom section of that badge looks like the Inniskilling Fusiliers Piper's badge, but I have never seen it with the scroll above.
Eddie

[irishhorse]

Originally Posted by ebro

The bottom section of that badge looks like the Inniskilling Fusiliers Piper's badge, but I have never seen it with the scroll above.
Eddie

Think they were introduced before WWII.

[ebro]

This photo of Inniskilling Fusiliers Pipers in North Africa with 38th Irish Bde..
There is no scroll above his badge!
The scroll does not seem very practical with a hackel.
Eddie

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by ebro

A lot depends on what size this is. It looks like a Royal Irish Regiment Officer's 2 piece Collar badge.
Eddie

Eddie

this was design intent of the 1927 design which turned out to be a disaster as far as the other ranks badge was concerned. But the officers version was rendered more true to the design intent which is the attached image.

John

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by irishhorse

Seen this today, what's the forums opinion on this one ? I've not seen another two piece badge too compare it with !

IH

I am becoming more and more convinced that this two piece badge is actually the 1927 design for Sgt Pipers and Pipers and that the image in the regiment magazine is incorrectly dated.

The two piece badge is seen in wear in a photo from the Rgt museum (dated Aldershot 1934) below. I post it here as the gallery links on the museum page appear to be dead.

The two piece design is also in keeping with the intent of the 1927 WM design (actually rendered in two pieces for officers but unintentionally in one piece for Other Ranks)

Photographs (such as the well known Dancers of the 2nd battalion, Catterick June 1939, Imperial War Museum) and the 1944 dated image here



THE BRITISH ARMY IN ITALY 1944. © IWM (NA 13057)IWM Non Commercial License

appear to show that it was replaced by the large one piece WM badge that I previously thought had been the 1927 badge.

So the sequence that I have for the pipers badges from 1900 is

1) Special badge 4 Battalion (Bn) (from 1908 3rd Bn) c. 1885-c. 1920
2) First official pattern, Sealed Pattern Number (SPN) 3587/1921 (The regular forage cap badge with pins)
3) Unofficial castle pattern, see illustration of PM Fisher in R.G. Harris’ book “The Irish Regiments A pictorial record”
4) SPN 10173/1927 which I think is the two piece design
5) The large WM Castle (regimental supply no SPN) c. 1939 - c. early 1950's
6) Smaller Silver plated castle, (regimental supply no SPN) c. early 1950's - c. early 1960's
7) The N. Irish Brigade large pipers badge (regimental supply no SPN), c. early 1960's

John