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Thank you, this is absolutely brilliant and has clarified some issues for which I am still awaiting a response from Regimental Museums. I enclose a pic of what I believe is either a Broderick cap badgse for the RWF or a FSC badge, as a result of your information I am now not sure which. The RWF were the very last unit (fact) to wear the universal grenade of shoulder title and collar badge fame and I have no evidence that they ever wore this plain little grenade in head dress. Were the thin/long sliders for the Brodercik only or could they have been for a later pattern FSC? Thanks again for your very useful information. I would be grateful if you could confirm the ID of the RWF badge (longer slider) enclosed? |
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Really long thin sliders (there are examples in what is now the depths of the forums dormant threads) were intended for the pugree. Remember that slider length, width, gauge, taper was largely left down to the manufacturer and as such varies widely and I for one would not class a longish slider as present on the smaller 1916 economy RWF as being intended for wear on anything other than the peaked cap as was standard. Further more the smaller 1916 economy issue has reared its head before on the forum and the Welsh boys who specialize on said regiments (Bantam and 41sth) view it to be a restrike if I remember correctly... don't quote me on that but I am pretty sure that is the same die as the lettering etc appears a lot finer. Looking at the badge on the left I am unsure about that one as well as I seem to remember Kevin (41st) telling me that the restrike economy RWF had a die flaw running through the letters of a word in the 'ROYAL WELSH FUSILIERS' title and yours appears to have a die flaw running through the word 'Royal'... over to Kevin and Bantam. Cheers, Luke |
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I have had the debate with 41st and Bantam about the smaller badge before. I do not believe it is a re-strike, which in itself would have to have been from an original die any way to be 're'produced. Personally I am utterly convinced that the smaller badges are genuine and am investigating via the Regimental Museum collection whether or not they are for the FSC or Brodrick cap. From what Julian has said they might be for the latter, but I am still researching. Last edited by Toby Purcell; 14-02-11 at 04:15 PM. |
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Toby, I agree with Luke, I dom't think that slider of yours is anything other than for wear on a peaked cap. The Bordrick ones are about 60mm and - as rare as hens teeth. I have tracked down the SP card for the 1896 King's and the badge on that has a normal length slider BUT the card itself is annotated Vertical Silder added 1903 and further down the card Vertical Slider Shortened 1906 (I'd have to look up the exact dates but I think the 1903 one is March.)
SO is the slider on the SP card a replacement or was it shortened - the answer is that you can't tell ! For the badges already in wear, either they were all handed in for change centrally and reissued or the battalion armourer did it. At least one set of makers records (Bent & Parker) that I have been studying also notes changing fasteners and lengths in 1903 and 1906. I hope the regtl museum has details for you, if not, get yourself down to Kew. The trouble with my work is that there need to be a few other fanatics out there to provide comparative data. |
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Last edited by Toby Purcell; 04-09-08 at 09:16 PM. |
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