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13-10-12, 07:30 PM
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9th Lancers
Not 100% on this one but I like the wonky crown and that it is a bit of a mis strike. The crown is a separate piece, which I've not seen before
Lee 
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13-10-12, 07:37 PM
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The slider has been well brazed on and i believe looks good, the crown looks to be good also. There seems to be excess material on the remainder of the badge though.
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13-10-12, 08:05 PM
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Sorry lee
I dont like it at all, the pennons detail were its attached to the lance, never seen a crown attached like that compare it to these which i know are genuine Malc
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13-10-12, 08:23 PM
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Lee - It's probably a makers variation, with an attempt to add some strength to a vulnerable point in the badge! I have an example like yours in my own collection and believe me it's is absolutely OK! Although the badge with strengthening bars shown by Malcolm is more than likely genuine, I doubt it left the factory like that, and I suspect the bars are a later addition? No maker would have time to fart around with fiddly attempts to add strength to a "run of the mill" badge.
Andy Last edited by Alan O; 14-10-12 at 12:23 PM.
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13-10-12, 09:07 PM
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imo its a made up badge the crown and slider look good but did not come with the rest of the badge id say its two badges put together the bottom part is poorly made and as i said detail to the pennons attached to the lance does not seem right although the picture is blured.
Malc
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13-10-12, 09:28 PM
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Rgds, Thomas.
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13-10-12, 09:49 PM
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the addition of bars to provide strength is quite a laborious process, far more fiddly than hairpin sliders and "C" shaped strengthening to crowns! Best regards Andy
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14-10-12, 07:42 AM
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Old Smelly, Malc
I've added another image which may hopefully add something to the fixing of crowns, though of course these are early lugged badges. The KC version I understand was the official conversion from the QVC on the change of monarch. If you look closely (and please excuse the scan) you can see a thin w/m tab has been neatly braized to secure crown to lance pennon. As Eric Morecambe would say 'you don't even see the join'. Of course I'm assuming this practise would only have been performed on existing badges where it was deemed the QVC needed to be removed. However, it does add to other possibilities on early manufacure of the KC version. Best regards Mark
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14-10-12, 09:12 AM
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9th Lancers
Here are some images of my badge which is similar to that shown by Lee at the start of this thread. IMO it is fine, admittedly poorly struck and with not the greatest detail. I do not think it is a combination of two badges and the rectangular shaped base to the crown is a makers attempt to add strength to a vulnerable part of the badge which is easily broken. The badge also sports a very thick slider and is a good overall weight! I am happy to keep it in my collection as I think it is a variation and not a copy (my opinion only)!
Andy
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14-10-12, 09:52 AM
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Mark thanks for showing your badges i can understand this type of crown change fitting on a lugged badge, and so it makes me beleive that Andys and Lees badges are early slidered badges which were easily broken and so the maker tried to strengthen them, but imo they would still be weak at the Crown-lance joints hence the introduction of the strengthening rods.
If this is the case then yes Andy and Lees badges are scarce as not many would have survived breakage. My 9th with rods came from WW1 collection. All the best Malc
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14-10-12, 05:13 PM
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Guys, thanks to all for your comments and for sharing pics of other variations.
Malcolm, I see what you mean about the details where the pennons meet the lance, I checked some of my others and also see on the variations on this thread, some have it, some don't. Also looks like one has the detail on the left one but not on the right?? Overall I do like my odd type, it did come with some other assorted badges, 'from an old collection' as they say. I does have some age/wear/verdigris etc and is a good solid badge with a strong slider. I also like the detail on the lance shafts and the points. Some better pics below Lee
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15-10-12, 11:35 AM
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Hi Andy & Lee,
IMO I would say you both have Vic pattern badges with a KC . Look at right hand pennon of the vic and Kc pattern. Of course I could be also wrong. See my examples . Regards 3748 Hussars
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